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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 17, 2018 1:35:20 GMT
Was noted in the comments page that there were 4-5 new USI swords added to the KOA inventory.
Most of these appear to be public offerings of Swedish swords that were originally created specifically for Thomas Gavelin of Sweden. Have had a hard time calling up his site and he may have retired his business; hence, the public distribution of these swords. Have immediately snatched the 1685 Swedish line pallasche. This is a big sword at 43 inches and a 35.5 inch blade. It's introduction corresponds to the use of the Haudegen in France. (1683)
One sword alone is from the Maison du Roy collection of French Royal Regiments of the King's Household: The Spadroon of the Gendermarie.
I've bought the Swedish 1685. The Spadroon is tempting me.
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Post by Afoo on Jan 17, 2018 2:14:57 GMT
Curious about the 1685 as well - might pick one up in a bit once the cost of my new purchases have been diluted enough. Was wondering where they came from - seemed like a sudden topic change for USI. Please do let us know how it is.
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Post by bfoo2 on Jan 17, 2018 2:47:23 GMT
I saw these on KoA earlier and I've had a mind of getting the Swede once I'm a bit richer. Two things I like about it: 1) It's an obscure topic that's not easily covered on the antiques market. 2) There's nothing that's obviously infuriating: no micro-grip, square pipeback, etc. Hopefully there'll be more unique and interesting things coming soon!
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Post by elbrittania39 on Jan 17, 2018 3:12:30 GMT
I'd love to hear anyones thoughts once they get their hands on a 1685. I'm intrigued but probably directing my budget elsewhere right now.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 17, 2018 3:28:50 GMT
The 1685 looks like the best of the bunch imo. Dave Kelly Are you planning on a writeup of the sword if you're impressed by it? Spadroon and M1701 look kinda strange to me, like the hilts are too blocky? I like the Hirstfanger though. For some reason, most UNI hilts looks kinda chunky to me.
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Post by LeMal on Jan 17, 2018 3:48:08 GMT
Was noted in the comments page that there were 4-5 new USI swords added to the KOA inventory. Most of these appear to be public offerings of Swedish swords that were originally created specifically for Thomas Gavelin of Sweden. Have had a hard time calling up his site and he may have retired his business; hence, the public distribution of these swords. Have immediately snatched the 1685 Swedish line pallasche. This is a big sword at 43 inches and a 35.5 inch blade. It's introduction corresponds to the use of the Haudegen in France. (1683) One sword alone is from the Maison du Roy collection of French Royal Regiments of the King's Household: The Spadroon of the Gendermarie. I've bought the Swedish 1685. The Spadroon is tempting me. Interesting reading how the Carolean forces were used. Certainly kin to the Scottish/Jacobite Highland Charge.
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 17, 2018 7:03:11 GMT
Have been sniffing around Gavelin swords for years. Now this. Here is Gavelins video: No KOA for me. Import tax and transport costs / time is killing this deal. The website is here and it is updated: www.gavelins.com/sword/My browser does not trust the coding, but after accepting the ,, risk '' it comes right up. Google will NOT translate the site??? A lot of the old and very much nicer stuff is gone. The Karl XII Officers Spadroon is still there though. Indeed, KOA has a variant listed as Trumpeter sword. It should be called an Officers Spadroon too, but what the hell. Poetic licence. Ordering from Gavalin direct saves me Euro 50, so for me the KOA price is Gavelin + shipping. After all these years I am still not convinced. Something is holding me back. Let us hope Dave will do a good review. He may change my mind. Though these Swedes are not uncommon in the antiques market, they are often steeply priced. Here is an original: www.arma-dania.dk/public/timeline/_AD_blankvaben_view.php?editid1=207
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Post by Rabel Dusk on Jan 17, 2018 16:58:25 GMT
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Post by legacyofthesword on Jan 18, 2018 1:51:09 GMT
Comparing the basket of that original Uhlan posted with the US 1685, it looks like the basket on this one may be close to historically accurate....
Is it possible?
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 18, 2018 2:14:00 GMT
Comparing the basket of that original Uhlan posted with the US 1685, it looks like the basket on this one may be close to historically accurate.... Is it possible? I noted that T Gavelin had control over production and exclusive sale for years. So, these are supposedly, exceptionally good repros. The Maison du Roy weapons for Gabriel Mendella's exhibition of arms and equipment of the Household troops of France supposedly went the same route.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 18, 2018 3:19:48 GMT
Ooooo after looking at Uhlans vid I like the M1685 a little more now. A lot more actually. If the Swede is right then they've really got this part of the market down.
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 18, 2018 8:45:54 GMT
A good hilt is only part of the equation. What was done to the blade? First thing I noticed is that it seems like it has this more outspoken ricasso compared to the original. It may be a play of light, but our Indian friends are / were great advocates of sticking ricassos on anything resembling sword / sabre blades. The distal taper numbers seem to suggest this is again a typical Indian blade. Remember that the Gavelin design is quite old. From way before Empire Costume started stoking the fires at Universal and teached them about ,, proper '' blades. I happen to have a Reitschwert blade of quite the same proportions and from the same period. The distal taper numbers are: 7.5 mm : 5 mm : 4 mm : 2.7 mm : 1.5 mm. This blade is quite stiff. I sure hope the blades on the Gavelin swords are better than average, but not knowing is exactly why I did keep sniffing around here. Kudos to Dave for taking one for the team. I really hope things turn out to be okay. That they at least have the balance right. Sort of anyway.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 18, 2018 22:13:40 GMT
More info from Aarvind Chouhan:
Confirmed that T Gavelin has downsized his business and USI is putting his swords on the KoA distribution list. The swords currently at KoA are limited number of show pieces. The first delivery will be in Apr-May time frame.
Same sort of situation for the Maison Du Roy weapons line.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 21:09:02 GMT
Off topic and won't last. A pretty decent walloon deal just listed at f-agan arms, The stupid censor machine won't let me post the link. Just added. Priced to sell, a nice Wundes blade.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 19, 2018 22:46:31 GMT
Off topic and won't last. A pretty decent walloon deal just listed at f-agan arms, The stupid censor machine won't let me post the link. Just added. Priced to sell, a nice Wundes blade. Fagan doesn't cut you any slack on early swords. 2700.00 for a Haudegen is emminently beatable for a price.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 23:22:00 GMT
Too true but a grand less than MDL wants for their walloon on ebay.
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Post by viece on Jan 23, 2018 13:03:10 GMT
Too true but a grand less than MDL wants for their walloon on ebay. There's a Walloon on Myarmoury for 850. Lowest price I've seen for non-relic 17th century.
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Post by Rabel Dusk on Jan 27, 2018 17:43:49 GMT
Has anyone bought and received one of those Swedish 1685 swords? If so, what do you think of it?
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 27, 2018 18:41:32 GMT
Has anyone bought and received one of those Swedish 1685 swords? If so, what do you think of it? Doing the review as we speak. Post it this evening, EST.
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Post by bensta96 on Jul 25, 2018 6:36:12 GMT
What isn’t this Madison du Roy thing?
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