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Post by ambulocetus on Jun 26, 2017 3:08:47 GMT
How do you feel about back-yards cutters with no formal training wearing Hakama? I realize there are lots of back-yard cutters here, and I'm not trying to start a flame war, but I had to earn the right to wear a hakama. When I see somebody put one on just to do some cutting, it seems to me to be no different than buying a black belt just to punch a punching bag. I had to get a Shodan in Aikijutsu before I was even allowed to start Kenjutsu. If someone didn't go through all that, it just seems like cos-play to me. I don't want to hurt anyones feelings, but I feel someone had to say it.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 26, 2017 3:30:11 GMT
It is like cosplay to me. I am not offended by it, but it seems like an unnecessary costume for those who have not earned theirs.
I have not earned mine, so I would just wear my regular clothes if practicing cutting. My dojo always had a rule of not wearing our dojo uniform outside the dojo.
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Post by skane on Jun 26, 2017 3:34:38 GMT
I'm a Nakamura Ryu practitioner. I did not wear a hakama until I was in formal training. But it doesn't bother me to see untrained guys wearing hakama. People can wear what they want and have fun imo. And if you are trained, it's usually easy to tell who has formal training and who doesn't. Doesn't matter to me, I just focus on what I do, and not what others do.
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Post by ambulocetus on Jun 26, 2017 3:40:32 GMT
I don't think we had a rule, but I never wear mine outside either. For one thing it attracts too much attention here in the city. I just put my obi on over my street clothes, or else I just set the saya down somewhere.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Jun 26, 2017 3:41:42 GMT
When I see somebody put one on just to do some cutting, it seems to me to be no different than buying a black belt just to punch a punching bag. Somebody buying a black belt to punch a bag doesn't bother me. If it helps them train better/more, maybe even a good thing. So backyard hakama doesn't bother me either. If someone didn't go through all that, it just seems like cos-play to me. Sure, it's cosplay. What's wrong with that? If somebody buys hakama/black-belt and wears it and uses it to pose as an expert (seriously, not as play) to get others to listen to bad advice, pay them money etc., then that's wrong and dishonest, and quite possibly fraudulent. But that's more than just wearing the hakama/black-belt. I had to earn the right to wear a hakama. No, you already had the right to wear hakama. What you earned was the right to wear hakama in a particular context. The context is key. If one has obtained a black belt in some particular MA, that isn't the right to wear a black belt in general, just the right to wear it in a particular context. Train with a different MA school, and the context (probably) says you should wear the belt corresponding to your level/rank in that school. If somebody dresses up as a knight, acts as "Sir Ambrose" at a party, at an educational demo for schoolkids, whatever, is that bad? Knighthood is still conferred as a genuine honour in many countries (and in organisations like the SCA).
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Post by ambulocetus on Jun 26, 2017 3:47:38 GMT
I understand what you are saying, but it may still give observers the wrong impression, even if they aren't setting out to with the intent to deceive edit: what I mean is it sort of gives the classical arts a bad rep, just like that Ki master who tried to fight the MMA guy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 11:32:18 GMT
Eh, it's clothing to me. When you ride a motorcycle you're supposed to wear a helmet and a leather jacket, whether you've been doing it for decades or just bought your first one off the lot.
I don't like the trivialization of sword usage in the first place, but that pony left the stable a long, long time ago.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jun 26, 2017 17:10:47 GMT
I don't like the trivialization of sword usage in the first place, but that pony left the stable a long, long time ago. Right? Why can't we go back to the good ol' days of warrior castes, casual violence, and overt racism? </sarc> It's sentiments like these, and the nonsense in the OP, which give this hobby a cringe-worthy reputation. To be honest, backyard wrestlers in full ICP greasepaint deserve more respect than the self-important weeaboo blowhards who think they are honoring some ancient warrior code. SMH
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 17:52:05 GMT
I don't like the trivialization of sword usage in the first place, but that pony left the stable a long, long time ago. Right? Why can't we go back to the good ol' days of warrior castes, casual violence, and overt racism? </sarc> It's sentiments like these, and the nonsense in the OP, which give this hobby a cringe-worthy reputation. To be honest, backyard wrestlers in full ICP greasepaint deserve more respect than the self-important weeaboo blowhards who think they are honoring some ancient warrior code. SMH Weapons should be handled with respect in a responsible manner. Im sorry this provocative position triggers you.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Jun 26, 2017 18:22:05 GMT
A sharp piece of metal is a sharp piece of metal. A sword warrants no more respect than a kitchen knife or an ax for splitting firewood.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 26, 2017 19:22:33 GMT
I don't like the trivialization of sword usage in the first place, but that pony left the stable a long, long time ago. Right? Why can't we go back to the good ol' days of warrior castes, casual violence, and overt racism? </sarc> It's sentiments like these, and the nonsense in the OP, which give this hobby a cringe-worthy reputation. To be honest, backyard wrestlers in full ICP greasepaint deserve more respect than the self-important weeaboo blowhards who think they are honoring some ancient warrior code. SMH Word. I like anime, but I don't pretend to follow any warrior code. I used to take myself seriously, but that was another time. It's not only people in jsa who do this, but I do notice a majority do tend to be in jsa. I blame action movies. I get the impression people were made fun of as kids, so when they practice killing people, they think "ha, no one can make fun of me, im a badass! I can kill them! Thats cool, right? Hows that NOT cool?"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 19:59:24 GMT
I'm just in it for the groupies
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 26, 2017 20:21:50 GMT
I'm just in it for the groupies ... There is groupies? Why has no one told me this
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Post by stopped1 on Jun 27, 2017 1:45:46 GMT
I am by by no means expert in JSA, only ni dan in kendo and san dan in iaido by here is my 2 cents.
-hakama traditional was worn as daily wear. Its like suits, you get formal ones and you get restaurant waiter ones, in general, they are just pants.
-ZKR kendo/iaido/jodo don't have color belts nor gi pants, hakama from day one if you have.
-back yard cutting is no more dangerous than shooting rifle on a farm, you just need the basics and safety measures.
-many dojos frown upon wearing uniform outside only because it attracts dirt, same reason why we don't walk with shoes in door.
-I don't allow people in MY HOUSE wearing Justin Biber t shirt, thats my house, my rule so deal with it but I don't go around telling people to do the same outside my house, I live in a free country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 2:52:03 GMT
It doesn't just attract dirt. People can be jerks, and while most of them will just shrug at the weirdo and move on with their lives, some will instigate problems. Not that big of a deal in the backyard, but if you go out and about on the town all geared up expect attention.
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Post by Ifrit on Jun 27, 2017 2:57:25 GMT
Plus a guy getting in a fight with a logo from his dojo might give the dojo a bad name
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Post by stopped1 on Jun 27, 2017 3:22:26 GMT
It doesn't just attract dirt. People can be jerks, and while most of them will just shrug at the weirdo and move on with their lives, some will instigate problems. Not that big of a deal in the backyard, but if you go out and about on the town all geared up expect attention. I guess it just a different kind of dirt it attracts. I agree that it attracts unwanted attentions, I don't wear my gi outside neither. But it is sort of like ladies getting told not to wear mini skirts in certain areas/time of the day because of sexually harassment from the people on the street, is it practical? Yes! Is it wrong that people are expected to conform to a no mini skirt during late night rule? Yes too. The hakama thinh should be an advise, not a rule
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Post by stopped1 on Jun 27, 2017 3:33:15 GMT
Plus a guy getting in a fight with a logo from his dojo might give the dojo a bad name Wrose if he loses hehehe. My grandfather used to cane my dad for getting into a fight, twice as hard if he lost, three times as hard if he lost and cried about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 3:36:23 GMT
I agree. People should wear what they want and other people should not harass them for it. I'd never want to blame a victim for being harassed or assaulted. I was speaking from a threat mitigation standpoint, which really should be a kind of common sense, but sometimes people don't know better.
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Post by stopped1 on Jun 27, 2017 4:08:32 GMT
Looks like we are in agreement my friend. Think we should be more tolerant. If they are safe and not hurting anyone, so be it.
It not just JSA, you get them elite snobs in HEMA and many martial arts. I have been picked on by a kung fu instructor for no other reason than writing my kendo rank on the membership form (it asks for it) and the guy was not even chinese (nor old enough to be a ww2 vet). Guys, chill, eat some fried chicken (or any food you like) and enough life a bit, who cares what others do with their free time.
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