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Post by Ifrit on Aug 29, 2019 1:27:31 GMT
Real edge-of-your-seat stuff. Seriously though, if you're watching and enjoying Madoka, that's fine. There's ultimately nothing wrong with it, but if you're a newcomer wondering why jaded old curmudgeons like me are bemoaning it, it's the fan base that came before you, not you. Well, not yet. I come here with my SAO, Madoka, NGE (only cause Netflix brought it back), AOT, and my uh... Naruto? Take that.. New wave, enveloping your beach
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 29, 2019 2:16:45 GMT
Yeah, well, we don't really get into your, shall we say, "distinct" tastes. That's like thinking Adrian knows what quality is.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Aug 29, 2019 2:35:52 GMT
I indulge in only the most premium of anime quality, and at the apex of that golden pyramid sits...Neon Genesis Evangelion.
Seriously though, there are some shows that I think are at least as good as my beloved Evangelion, maybe even better. I used to keep a running list of shows that I watch and love, but fell off doing that. On the bright side, my memory is bad enough that after six months, maybe a year I will have forgotten enough about shows that I can rewatch them and still have it be a fun, pleasurable experience. Sure, I know what happens in the end most of the time, but a lot of the great stuff along the way is far enough removed that I can enjoy it again.
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Post by Ifrit on Aug 29, 2019 2:42:17 GMT
Yeah, well, we don't really get into your, shall we say, "distinct" tastes. That's like thinking Adrian knows what quality is. I wasnt dissing Adrian 😂 I love a lot of those shows. Except SAO and Naruto I am as big an NGE fan as they come. I just can't help but notice a lot of deep anime fans ever since Netflix released it, like my skateboard friend. Suddenly he's all about it Tbh the ones I dislike are his fav shows 😂 Though to be fair, most my what is visible about my tastes is my appreciation for the art. I love a lot of anime art, but have no interest in the show 😉 Anime has the most pleasing animated art there is. As an artist it inspires me a bit
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 29, 2019 2:56:59 GMT
Oh, anime is a giant SPECTRUM of "art" and "animation" that ranges from absolutely stunning to...what is this filth? She and I are often more amused by the "shoestring budget" series each season than the "blockbusters," and often like to joke that some of the more entertaining shows didn't even manage a shoestring, but are making do with a paperclip and a bit of string.
Some shows couldn't even manage the paperclip...
Arifure seems to be working off the lint between the sofa cushions, for instance. They went looking for change to finance the budget, but there wasn't any, so we get what we have: A travesty that could have been something great.
Though I will concede that one of the things I appreciate most about Araburu (my personal favorite this season) is the art style and animation. It's very simple, a little pastel at times, but it somehow manages to perfectly capture the mood of each scene and the characters, while they should absolutely be bland and generic, just pop out and stick with me. I'm especially fond of Hongou, but everybody in that show has my full support.
Then there's Dumbell...
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 29, 2019 2:58:58 GMT
I indulge in only the most premium of anime quality, and at the apex of that golden pyramid sits...Neon Genesis Evangelion. Seriously though, there are some shows that I think are at least as good as my beloved Evangelion, maybe even better. I used to keep a running list of shows that I watch and love, but fell off doing that. On the bright side, my memory is bad enough that after six months, maybe a year I will have forgotten enough about shows that I can rewatch them and still have it be a fun, pleasurable experience. Sure, I know what happens in the end most of the time, but a lot of the great stuff along the way is far enough removed that I can enjoy it again. Because you have expressed such enthusiasm for it, I won't just completely semprini on it, but I definitely think NGE is both overrated, and honestly lacks more than a superficial understanding of the gnosticism it wraps itself in.
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Post by Ifrit on Aug 29, 2019 3:06:47 GMT
I indulge in only the most premium of anime quality, and at the apex of that golden pyramid sits...Neon Genesis Evangelion. Seriously though, there are some shows that I think are at least as good as my beloved Evangelion, maybe even better. I used to keep a running list of shows that I watch and love, but fell off doing that. On the bright side, my memory is bad enough that after six months, maybe a year I will have forgotten enough about shows that I can rewatch them and still have it be a fun, pleasurable experience. Sure, I know what happens in the end most of the time, but a lot of the great stuff along the way is far enough removed that I can enjoy it again. Because you have expressed such enthusiasm for it, I won't just completely poo on it, but I definitely think NGE is both overrated, and honestly lacks more than a superficial understanding of the gnosticism it wraps itself in. I'm just happy that what is there is there to be honest. Can't really expect more in most media these days. The potential for greatness is there and ignored, but it's there
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Post by Ifrit on Aug 29, 2019 3:07:47 GMT
Oh, anime is a giant SPECTRUM of "art" and "animation" that ranges from absolutely stunning to...what is this filth? She and I are often more amused by the "shoestring budget" series each season than the "blockbusters," and often like to joke that some of the more entertaining shows didn't even manage a shoestring, but are making do with a paperclip and a bit of string. Some shows couldn't even manage the paperclip... Arifure seems to be working off the lint between the sofa cushions, for instance. They went looking for change to finance the budget, but there wasn't any, so we get what we have: A travesty that could have been something great. Though I will concede that one of the things I appreciate most about Araburu (my personal favorite this season) is the art style and animation. It's very simple, a little pastel at times, but it somehow manages to perfectly capture the mood of each scene and the characters, while they should absolutely be bland and generic, just pop out and stick with me. I'm especially fond of Hongou, but everybody in that show has my full support. Then there's Dumbell... But art is objective, reddit says as it defends a red line on a white paper. After all, to test what we consider as to what art is is art itself right? 😉 I kid, I kid, that stuffs trash and I'll stand by it forever
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Aug 29, 2019 3:10:59 GMT
Zenhydra:
No worries, you can poo on it all you want, hahaha. It doesn't bother me when other people don't like things I like. At worst we can have some fun firing shots across the bow at each other. Stuff like that are what make smaller, more contained group discussions like we have here fun. I've never really cared much about the religious symbolism in NGE. I know that's a big deal for a lot of folks, but I was always more in it for the characters and designs. As far as overrated, yeah, absolutely. But so are most of the big shows and/or shows with rabid fanbases. I can't for the life of me figure out why some of the biggest, most popular shows are so hyped. I feel like they suck, or are average at best. But that's just me. Of course there are some mega hyped shows that I feel deserve it and more. Subjectivity at work. I don't think random thought you were dissing my tastes, No One, I think he was taking one of those indirect shots that I was talking about at me, hahaha.
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Post by Ifrit on Aug 29, 2019 3:17:03 GMT
Zenhydra:
No worries, you can poo on it all you want, hahaha. It doesn't bother me when other people don't like things I like. At worst we can have some fun firing shots across the bow at each other. Stuff like that are what make smaller, more contained group discussions like we have here fun. I've never really cared much about the religious symbolism in NGE. I know that's a big deal for a lot of folks, but I was always more in it for the characters and designs. As far as overrated, yeah, absolutely. But so are most of the big shows and/or shows with rabid fanbases. I can't for the life of me figure out why some of the biggest, most popular shows are so hyped. I feel like they suck, or are average at best. But that's just me. Of course there are some mega hyped shows that I feel deserve it and more. Subjectivity at work. I don't think random thought you were dissing my tastes, No One, I think he was taking one of those indirect shots that I was talking about at me, hahaha. [br Maybe. He likes that moetrash 😂 I kid, once again. Taste is subjective/objective. Or whatever artist on reddit like to defend I'm sure I would love those anime if I gave them a try. I'm an incredibly easy to convince viewer. Destroy the heram and earn my love, is what it takes. Herams always strike me as the creator making his fantasy about himself attracting all his fav anime characters while being indifferent.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 29, 2019 3:19:44 GMT
Oh, anime is a giant SPECTRUM of "art" and "animation" that ranges from absolutely stunning to...what is this filth? She and I are often more amused by the "shoestring budget" series each season than the "blockbusters," and often like to joke that some of the more entertaining shows didn't even manage a shoestring, but are making do with a paperclip and a bit of string. Some shows couldn't even manage the paperclip... Arifure seems to be working off the lint between the sofa cushions, for instance. They went looking for change to finance the budget, but there wasn't any, so we get what we have: A travesty that could have been something great. Though I will concede that one of the things I appreciate most about Araburu (my personal favorite this season) is the art style and animation. It's very simple, a little pastel at times, but it somehow manages to perfectly capture the mood of each scene and the characters, while they should absolutely be bland and generic, just pop out and stick with me. I'm especially fond of Hongou, but everybody in that show has my full support. Then there's Dumbell... But art is objective, reddit says as it defends a red line on a white paper. After all, to test what we consider as to what art is is art itself right? 😉 I kid, I kid, that stuffs trash and I'll stand by it forever I get that you are joking. That said, art is both subjective and relative. It's hard to be a fair judge of art, and I am happy to admit that some art that I don't like is well crafted and enjoyed by others. There are some things which are poorly conceived, have a confusing message, or lack the skill in execution to effectively express an artist's intent. There are some things which unfortunately have all those handicaps hung upon them. I love many flawed works, and dislike some which I can admit have merit. There are some which just defy my comprehension.
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Post by Ifrit on Aug 29, 2019 3:21:55 GMT
But art is objective, reddit says as it defends a red line on a white paper. After all, to test what we consider as to what art is is art itself right? 😉 I kid, I kid, that stuffs trash and I'll stand by it forever I get that you are joking. That said, art is both subjective and relative. It's hard to be a fair judge of art, and I am happy to admit that some art that I don't like is well crafted and enjoyed by others. There are some things which are poorly conceived, have a confusing message, or lack the skill in execution to effectively express an artist's intent. There are some things which unfortunately have all those handicaps hung upon them. I love many flawed works, and dislike some which I can admit have merit. There are some which just defy my comprehension. [bi] I prefer some skill to be visible. I have had many of my own work, which have had so much effort, only to be ignored. I have seen great works of art, ignored and criticized. If a f*ckin red line across white paper can be given praise, I dismiss the entire movement. Money laundering, names and pretentious attitude is what plagues the art community Just gotta add its not just bitterness. Go across any art board in reddit. You will find amazing art being ignored and cr*p being praised
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 29, 2019 3:24:07 GMT
Zenhydra:
No worries, you can poo on it all you want, hahaha. It doesn't bother me when other people don't like things I like. At worst we can have some fun firing shots across the bow at each other. Stuff like that are what make smaller, more contained group discussions like we have here fun. I've never really cared much about the religious symbolism in NGE. I know that's a big deal for a lot of folks, but I was always more in it for the characters and designs. As far as overrated, yeah, absolutely. But so are most of the big shows and/or shows with rabid fanbases. I can't for the life of me figure out why some of the biggest, most popular shows are so hyped. I feel like they suck, or are average at best. But that's just me. Of course there are some mega hyped shows that I feel deserve it and more. Subjectivity at work. I don't think random thought you were dissing my tastes, No One, I think he was taking one of those indirect shots that I was talking about at me, hahaha. I'm glad that you have that kind of attitude. Sometimes it seems like everyone is just a bundle of raw nerves, and I get that few people are in the same emotional headspace. I don't think my opinions invalidate anyone's right to enjoy something. We can both be right in having diametrically opposed feelings about a piece of art. That's what makes art so interesting and enduring.
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Post by Ifrit on Aug 29, 2019 3:26:06 GMT
Zenhydra:
No worries, you can poo on it all you want, hahaha. It doesn't bother me when other people don't like things I like. At worst we can have some fun firing shots across the bow at each other. Stuff like that are what make smaller, more contained group discussions like we have here fun. I've never really cared much about the religious symbolism in NGE. I know that's a big deal for a lot of folks, but I was always more in it for the characters and designs. As far as overrated, yeah, absolutely. But so are most of the big shows and/or shows with rabid fanbases. I can't for the life of me figure out why some of the biggest, most popular shows are so hyped. I feel like they suck, or are average at best. But that's just me. Of course there are some mega hyped shows that I feel deserve it and more. Subjectivity at work. I don't think random thought you were dissing my tastes, No One, I think he was taking one of those indirect shots that I was talking about at me, hahaha. I'm glad that you have that kind of attitude. Sometimes it seems like everyone is just a bundle of raw nerves, and I get that few people are in the same emotional headspace. I don't think my opinions invalid anyone's right to enjoy something. We can both be right in having diametrically opposed feelings about a piece of art. That's what makes art so interesting and enduring. I also gotta say I praise that mindset. I try have it, often I don't. But I try. I commend those who do a better job
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Aug 29, 2019 3:26:41 GMT
Zenhydra:
No worries, you can poo on it all you want, hahaha. It doesn't bother me when other people don't like things I like. At worst we can have some fun firing shots across the bow at each other. Stuff like that are what make smaller, more contained group discussions like we have here fun. I've never really cared much about the religious symbolism in NGE. I know that's a big deal for a lot of folks, but I was always more in it for the characters and designs. As far as overrated, yeah, absolutely. But so are most of the big shows and/or shows with rabid fanbases. I can't for the life of me figure out why some of the biggest, most popular shows are so hyped. I feel like they suck, or are average at best. But that's just me. Of course there are some mega hyped shows that I feel deserve it and more. Subjectivity at work. I don't think random thought you were dissing my tastes, No One, I think he was taking one of those indirect shots that I was talking about at me, hahaha. I'm glad that you have that kind of attitude. Sometimes it seems like everyone is just a bundle of raw nerves, and I get that few people are in the same emotional headspace. I don't think my opinions invalid anyone's right to enjoy something. We can both be right in having diametrically opposed feelings about a piece of art. That's what makes art so interesting and enduring.
That's pretty perfectly stated.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 29, 2019 3:30:07 GMT
I get that you are joking. That said, art is both subjective and relative. It's hard to be a fair judge of art, and I am happy to admit that some art that I don't like is well crafted and enjoyed by others. There are some things which are poorly conceived, have a confusing message, or lack the skill in execution to effectively express an artist's intent. There are some things which unfortunately have all those handicaps hung upon them. I love many flawed works, and dislike some which I can admit have merit. There are some which just defy my comprehension. [bi] I prefer some skill to be visible. I have had many of my own work, which have had so much effort, only to be ignored. I have seen great works of art, ignored and criticized. If a f*ckin red line across white paper can be given praise, I dismiss the entire movement. Money laundering, names and pretentious attitude is what plagues the art community Just gotta add its not just bitterness. Go across any art board in reddit. You will find amazing art being ignored and cr*p being praised Fine art is especially like that. There are objective skills, but even those can be overlooked. The Dutch master, Johannes Vermeer, is lauded for his almost photo-realistic paintings, but there are painters today who achieve portraits much closer to photo-realism, and few have even heard of them.
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Post by Ifrit on Aug 29, 2019 3:31:59 GMT
[bi] I prefer some skill to be visible. I have had many of my own work, which have had so much effort, only to be ignored. I have seen great works of art, ignored and criticized. If a f*ckin red line across white paper can be given praise, I dismiss the entire movement. Money laundering, names and pretentious attitude is what plagues the art community Just gotta add its not just bitterness. Go across any art board in reddit. You will find amazing art being ignored and cr*p being praised Fine art is especially like that. There are objective skills, but even those can be overlooked. The Dutch master, Johannes Vermeer, is lauded for his almost photo-realistic paintings, but there are painters today who achieve portraits much closer to photo-realism, and few have even heard of them. In those cases, I blame The subject Heck, in my cases, I blame the subject
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Aug 29, 2019 3:43:00 GMT
Art is wierd. There is no fundamental reason why their weren't prehistoric cave paintings with realistic proportions and shading. Nothing about the materials used in making those ancient works precluded them being anything less than the kind of art we see regularly nowadays. Those ancient homo sapiens were just as intelligent and talented as we are now. Why weren't our prehistoric forebears cranking out Girls With a Pearl Earring? Instead we have a lot of forty thousand year old hand turkeys.
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Post by Ifrit on Aug 29, 2019 3:48:19 GMT
Art is wierd. There is no fundamental reason why their weren't prehistoric cave paintings with realistic proportions and shading. Nothing about the materials used in making those ancient works precluded them being anything less than the kind of art we see regularly nowadays. Those ancient (censored) sapiens were just as intelligent and talented as we are now. Why weren't our prehistoric forebears cranking out Girls With a Pearl Earring? Instead we have a lot of forty thousand year old hand turkeys. I like to think it's all we discovered. We find more and more evidence we were the exact same quality of humans back then as we are now.. Maybe our pretentious attitudes were just as strong back then "this hand turkey is far beyond what you hunters will ever know!"
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Post by randomnobody on Aug 29, 2019 3:52:41 GMT
i liek anymay
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