|
Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 26, 2015 20:00:13 GMT
Back in July I found a small antique shop, and picked up two swords for 90 - 120 respectively, one of them looks to be a Prussian 1889 Degen, folding hilt, (I remade the handle since it had been all but destroyed) and another which was marketed off as a "Spanish American War Sword", and looks similar to Spanish military swords of that era. However, whenever there's something the same, there's something different as well. No makers mark, only thing on the Ricasso is "AÑO 1896". Pics will be up soon.
|
|
|
Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 26, 2015 20:19:43 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Afoo on Nov 26, 2015 20:25:28 GMT
Possibly an officers version of the Spanish 1895? Not sure though
|
|
|
Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 26, 2015 21:02:04 GMT
That's sort of the conclusion I'd come to, it just seems sort of plain for an Officers sabre.
|
|
|
Post by Afoo on Nov 26, 2015 21:32:26 GMT
The troopers version has no fuller. Maybe this was issued to special units instead? Could e interesting
|
|
|
Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 26, 2015 22:21:49 GMT
Another thought I had was it could be from the Mexican American conflicts, but it doesn't really look like Mexican Sabres of the time. Could very well just be an Officers sabre, seems strategy there's no name or anything on it other than AÑO 1896 though.
|
|
|
Post by Jayhawk on Nov 26, 2015 22:29:21 GMT
I have one of those, but I guess it's the trooper version (although it feels like it has a slight fuller, it's not visually noticeable). Says made in Toledo on one side (in Spanish of course) and the other side has some fancy engraving around what might be an O or something like that (it would need cleaning to really try and see what the stamp is). It's a nice sword. Nice find.
|
|
|
Post by Dave Kelly on Nov 26, 2015 23:38:21 GMT
Yeah, 1896 Spanish Cavalry enlisted. That is a better blade than I've seen on them normally. Not an officer. Arsenal upgrade or an NCO sabre perhaps.
This sounds like a job for Pinotte...
|
|
|
Post by bfoo2 on Nov 27, 2015 5:41:00 GMT
It doesn't quite look like a 1895 Spanish, though it certainly shares many characteristics. The guard looks a bit thicker and is lacking the rolled up "lip" at the back. More tellingly, the contour of the grip doesn't look quite right. Maybe some sensible officer thought (quite rightly) that the official 1895 model was not up to his specs and commissioned a custom? It does have a blade similar to the 1895, although this one is nicer than most I've seen. As Afoo mentioned, most 1895 Spanish I've seen (including my own) have no fullers (which makes me think the designers/manufacturers got a bit lazy and/or careless). Consequently, although the sword does actually handle pretty good (I actually like the pseudo-pistol grip they gave it), I can't help but imagine how much better it'd be if it had a proper blade. I'll try to upload pics of my own later, but here's one I got off the internet (oldswords) for comparison
|
|
|
Post by bfoo2 on Nov 27, 2015 5:51:09 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Jayhawk on Nov 27, 2015 16:01:00 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Afoo on Nov 27, 2015 16:57:57 GMT
Yes. Not denying it. we are just trying to figure out what both of them are by comparing them to other known patterns. DUn suppose you could get a closeup of the marking on the left side of the ricasso?
|
|
|
Post by Jayhawk on Nov 27, 2015 17:49:47 GMT
I didn't think you were denying it (sorry if my post came across that way). I'm curious what we both have, too. The seal/stamp came out more noticeable in my pic, and I was hoping that might be familiar. It's a fun sword...quick and well balanced. My son, the HEMA guy, really likes it.
|
|
|
Post by Jayhawk on Nov 27, 2015 18:33:21 GMT
My sword, with the exact same grip/guard, also decreases the likelihood that the OP's sword has a custom hilt.
|
|
|
Post by Afoo on Nov 27, 2015 21:07:54 GMT
I agree. Sorry - posted from my mobile, so was a bit terse/had bad resolution. That crest thing may be identifiable - will poke a bit tonight. Its intriguing. May match something from here www.cutandparry.com/92_weatherly_swords.pdf
|
|
|
Post by bfoo2 on Nov 27, 2015 21:09:10 GMT
Whatever those two swords are, I kinda want one now
|
|
|
Post by Jordan Williams on Nov 28, 2015 2:30:07 GMT
Could it be Naval? I know most if not all navies used a cutlass or something like it but I seem to remember seeing one similar labeled "Spanish Naval Sword".
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 17:37:28 GMT
It's a Spanish sabre so called ''model Robert'' c. 1897-1905 that was a short-lived experimental substitute for the 1895 model for officers. 1895 and Robert models When someone has a tough riddle to crack, you can now use this:
|
|
|
Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 3, 2016 19:25:02 GMT
Oooo nice. I need to get a scabbard for it. Thanks for the PDF!
|
|
|
Post by Jayhawk on Jan 3, 2016 19:35:16 GMT
Cool...I can see mine perfectly in the PDF. Thanks!
|
|