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Post by randomnobody on Dec 14, 2015 22:26:08 GMT
Continuing on, then... Ken (Eating) - edited, thanks freq Overall: Length – 8.5”/21.5cm Weight – 3.6oz/101g PoB – 0”/0cm Blade: Length – 4.5”/11.5cm Width – 0.76”/1.9cm at base, swells to 0.82”/2.1cm into tip Thickness – 0.19”/0.4cm tapering to 0.13”/0.3cm 1” from tip Grip: Length – 3.75”/9.5cm Width – Min. 0.55”/1.4cm, Max. 1.07”/2.7cm Thickness – 0.22”/0.5cm throughout Freq (EDC) Overall: Length – 8”/20.5cm Weight – 2.6oz/74g PoB - -0.25”/-0.6cm Blade: Length – 4”/10cm Width – Base 0.75”/2cm, Belly 0.9”/2.3cm, 0.69”/1.3cm 1” from tip Thickness – 0.13”/0.3cm throughout Grip: Length – 4”/10cm Width – Min. 0.75”/1.9cm, Max. 0.84:/2.2cm cylindrical Thickness – (See Width) Marc (EDC) Overall: Length – 8”/20cm Weight – 7.5oz/212g PoB – 0”/0cm Blade: Length – 4.25”/11cm Width – Base 1.22”3.1cm, Belly 1.31”/3.3cm, into tip Thickness – 0.24”/0.6cm tapering to 0.13”/0.3cm 1” from tip Grip: Length – 3.5”/9cm Width – Min. 0.73”/1.8cm Max. 0.81”/2.1cm, slight recurve Thickness – Min. 0.6”/1.5cm, Max. 0.84”/2.1cm Marc (Eating) Overall: Length – 7.88”/20cm Weight – 4.6oz/131g PoB - -0.5”/-1.3cm Blade: Length – 4.12”/10.5cm Width – 1”/2.5cm until (swedge? Clip? “Broken back”?) Thickness – 0.24”/0.6cm, very slight taper toward tip Grip: Length – 3.72”/9.5cm Width – Min. 0.7”/1.8cm, Max. 0.9”/2.3cm Thickness – 0.52”/1.3cm throughout That should cover everybody. Contestants, please be sure I've got everything in the right category. I believe I have, but again, I could always use the additional confirmation.
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Post by TomK on Dec 14, 2015 23:35:42 GMT
Wait,there's a nick in my knife's edge? That makes me very sad it surely wasn't there when I shipped. Wonder what happened
Sure hope it doesn't mean I left it too hard I guess we'll see if it gets any more nicks
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 15, 2015 0:01:46 GMT
Yeah, I didn't notice it when unpacking them all, but it was there when I was checking it out during the weigh-in. No idea how or when it got there.
Speaking of, I got the worst of the nicks out of freq's titanium knife, but there are still some depressions left along the edge. It's not tremendously sharp, but it's probably good enough to do most jobs. We'll find out.
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Post by chrisperoni on Dec 15, 2015 1:36:29 GMT
No nicks in it that I saw when I had it. Nice review so far too random.
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Post by TomK on Dec 15, 2015 2:31:06 GMT
Well there's no excuse for a knife to come with a nicked blade so I have asked Random to treat the knife like it is not there and if the nick effects cutting performance to downgrade the knife accordingly. If the nick forms a crack or if more nicks form it is a sign I did not correctly temper the blade and it should be failed. If it survives the tests but is just too hard you can send it back to me and I'll give it some temper with a torch to fix it so it can at least be a prize for someone. I wouldn't want to give anyone a blade that is going to crack and break apart. That could be dangerous. Hopefully it is a non-issue though. We will see
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Post by Mikeeman on Dec 15, 2015 2:34:44 GMT
If I had to guess, I'd say it was not a failure of the blade. It was packed in a box with a lot of other hard things. No matter how hard Chris tried to pack them, it's entirely likely that it hit another blade. It's highly unlikely that this was a failure HT. Just did what any knife would do.
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Post by TomK on Dec 15, 2015 2:41:52 GMT
I left that puppy pretty damn hard for purposes of edge retention. We will see how it handles the tests. Even if it did hit another knife that's just a daily hazard for an EDC it needs to be able to pass this test too
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Post by Mikeeman on Dec 15, 2015 3:28:04 GMT
Even an EDC isn't meant for contact with other hardened steel.
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Post by freq on Dec 15, 2015 3:28:27 GMT
minor correction kens was for the "eating" round
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Post by TomK on Dec 15, 2015 7:00:29 GMT
Even an EDC isn't meant for contact with other hardened steel. ;) No but I think it should be able to not be destroyed by some accidental bumping here and there
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 15, 2015 7:24:52 GMT
Oh, whoops, thanks freq; I'll edit that. Heck, I'd EDC it. It's a neat little knife. Edge is a wee bit rough, but nothing I couldn't fix and as-is it's still fairly sharp. It's a good size, shape, and weight for my preferences and overall I'd expect it to do any daily chore I'd use a knife for as well as any other knife I own. But I'll switch it to the "eating" round, since that's what it was for. As for Tom's knife, I really have no idea when that nick turned up or what caused it. I don't remember if it was there when I unpacked everything, but I noticed it when giving everything a look-over during weighing etc. and wanted to point it out as a potential hazard point. I'd already mentioned finding some nicks in freq's titanium knife that I felt it would be best to try to grind out before using (which I've done, though the remaining edge is far from perfect, it's much better than it was) but I'm not comfortable trying this with Tom's knife because I'll never get his edge back on it. Thus, it'll be going in as-is, and if any more nicks happen, we'll know he got a little excited with the O1 and it'll need to be adjusted before anybody gets it. If no more nicks occur during testing, I'll still send it back so he can get the current nick out and restore the edge. It sucks because Tom's knife is one of my favorites. It's on the big side for my usual EDC preferences, but it's not terribly heavy and is easy enough to manipulate that I'd consider replacing my current EDC with it, given the right sheath. So far my favorites, just from design and handling are (in no particular order) Ken's, Tom's, Marc's EDC, and fallen's eating entry. These knives I find equally pleasant to look at and to hold. Honorable mentions to Digs' knife, the design is as solid as the construction and finish is superb, but something bugs me about how thin the grip is against the wide, heavy blade. No doubt it'll do a fine job, but I'm going to be thinking extra hard while using it. Fallen's EDC is another quality piece that just isn't grabbing me. I think I mentioned the ratio of grip length to blade length before, and that's probably my only real "gripe" about the knife from a design standpoint. It's a solid build and everything's finished very well; this knife has no actual "flaws" to mention, it's just aesthetically not my thing. Luckily, I won't be judging these on how pretty they are, but how well they hold up to things I'll be doing with them. As for the rest, well, it's not as though I don't like them or there are any real problems with them, just that they haven't really grabbed me yet. Jeffrey's knife, for instance, is "perty dern good" but a touch heavy for my liking, freq's EDC I've already been over but his "eating" entry is decent. I'm a little scared of how skinny it gets but really it's not that skinny, just compared to knives I'm used to. Marc's "eating" knife is also good, but if I'm honest, I have no strong feelings one way or the other. It'll do its job, no doubt, but I just don't get as excited holding it as I do with his EDC entry, for instance. By itself it would be a great knife, but surrounded by the rest it comes up a little bit "meh" to me. But hey, if it does what it needs to do as well as or better than the other "eating" knives, then it's not like I'm about to deny it.
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 16, 2015 21:55:26 GMT
Took a sort of "me day" today, so nothing to report on activities, but Tom and I had a brief chat yesterday (or was it the night before? What day is it?) about his knife, and I took some more photos to give a better sense of scale and shape. Figured I may as well put them here for the rest of you to get a better idea: White envelope background, back line points to nick on either side, plus a close-up of the "bad side" without flash for better clarity. Tiny, as you can see, but no less present.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Dec 17, 2015 17:16:22 GMT
It chipped more on one side than the other, that's weird. I've had problems with forging O-1 steel in the past. You have to be real careful with it, it has a very narrow forging range has far a as temperture goes.
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Post by TomK on Dec 17, 2015 17:54:59 GMT
yes it does but I don't think that's the problem here. I think I may have left it a little too hard and it got hit on one side and chipped out mostly on that side hard to say for sure tho
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 17, 2015 18:02:12 GMT
The angle of the chip of what's most odd about it. I can't figure out how it happened at such a bizarre angle. I'm not even sure what would have caused it in the first place.
I think Tom had mentioned some uncertainties with the O1, but I'll let him fill in the details there. (Edit: Oh, Hi Tom. Boy, I sure till a long time typing this out on the ol' phone. Extra proofreading, I guess.
I should get to testing these, been really lazy the past couple days and domestic stuff needs to be done, too... My room is a mess, laundry is running out, I haven't done any Christmas gifting things, or even my regular "grocery shipping," my WaniKani reviews are backed up again, and I'm not studying grammar like I should be, I just started messing around on Code Academy, too, and now I'm struggling to drag myself out of bed before I fall asleep again at 1:00 PM. Are the holidays over yet?
Maybe I'll slice up some paper later, and see where that gets me...
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Post by Mikeeman on Jan 7, 2016 16:57:30 GMT
So, for anyone interested, we're still a little undecided on what to do for the 3rd round.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 17:04:33 GMT
You could make a smaller easier knife, but make the challenge differential hardening and hamons, but that might be too hard for people unfamiliar with the process
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jan 7, 2016 18:50:31 GMT
We did have to other ideas in your other thread Bushcraft and skinning.
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Post by Mikeeman on Jan 7, 2016 18:55:15 GMT
Either of those are fine with me. As long as we're all in agreement.
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 9, 2016 2:29:14 GMT
Got some paper cutting tests done on the prelim knives. Surprised by some, a lot of the sharper knives didn't do all that well, and as many of the er...not so sharp knives actually managed better than I'd expected.
I'll try to have something written up soon, probably tomorrow. Today kinda got away from me while spending most of it trying not to get too wrapped up in anything as I'd been handed the task of waiting for a repairman to come fix the drywall in the basement...
Anyway, now that things have gotten back into a sort of routine post-holidays, I should be able to start getting to this thing properly. I'll likely do it in short bursts, posting up bits at a time until I've covered all the bases, then condensing everything into one main post. I don't know if I'll do it here in this thread, or start a new one somewhere.
As for the third round, it's a tricky one. We've kind of already covered everything that doesn't require specialty skills or knowledge in either making or testing. I'd kinda like to see something with an unusual cross-section, like a T-spine or a spear point/partial double-edge (though I wonder about the legality in some jurisdictions) but I don't know if everybody playing would be comfortable attempting these things within six hours or even how to go about testing them.
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