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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Feb 11, 2015 0:15:39 GMT
Sharpened a customers windlass Heron mark, and my Atrim single handed sword and did some cutting today. Enjoy
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Post by crazywolf on Feb 11, 2015 0:53:35 GMT
nice job Wes your lucky you have grass to stand on here at my place there about a inch and half of ice and snow around my cutting stand.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Feb 11, 2015 1:10:33 GMT
i wish it was ice and snow ^___^
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Post by crazywolf on Feb 11, 2015 2:12:46 GMT
well you could move to Boston they have plenty I'm sure they would give you all you want.heck our yard is so icy even our German shepherds are sliding around on parts of it.
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Post by Razor on Feb 11, 2015 2:29:32 GMT
Do you always cut with your customers swords when you sharpen them? Do you ask them before hand? I'm asking because at 1:14 it looks like you hit the stand, the bounced a little and you walked up to it to check it out at 1:17.
When I sharpen people's swords, I always let them do the first cut with their swords, unless they say otherwise. Sometimes they don't even want the sword used for cutting, they just want it sharp.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Feb 11, 2015 2:39:46 GMT
yeah I always ask lol. The videos are to prove that the sword performs as it should prior to me returning said sword to the customer.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Feb 12, 2015 8:43:12 GMT
I don't have to cut with one to know it's right. You are taking a big chance of messing a sword up and buying it.
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Feb 12, 2015 8:57:37 GMT
I don't have to cut with one to know it's right. You are taking a big chance of messing a sword up and buying it. While it is of course possible to estimate how well a sword will cut by examining the edge (or knowing what kind of edge you put on), actually cutting with it is the only way to really make sure the sword works as intended. Also, don't overestimate the danger of messing up a sword during cutting. If you stick to light targets and have decent form, there's really nothing much to worry about. If the sword is properly made, an accidental hit to the stand won't do anything either. Only thing that will happen if you cut is a slight marring of the finish but that can be taken care off with high grit sandpaper before you ship the sword out to its owner.
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Post by exiel on Feb 12, 2015 15:27:27 GMT
I once cut with a Kris Cutlery Teutonic HaH sword, the edge was dull and cannot cut paper, by examining with merely eyes I can tell it won't cut through anything, however it proved more than enough to make several silent cuts and even cut cleanly through 3 inch diametered soaked paperroll.
I think Chenessfan is right, one can only know if a sword can do things it supposed to do, the combination with geometry/weight/sharpness and many other things can be very different on every sword, sometimes even the things one cannot see matter, too. Cutting is the only way to really make sure the sword works as intended. :)
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Feb 12, 2015 16:05:07 GMT
Sorry don't agree with you, if you know how to sharpen you know it will cut without testing it. I don't have to shave the hair off my leg to know it will shave. Yes stopped using my arms it is harder to shave leg hair and it doesn't show most of the time.
Take the chance of doing worst than just marring the surface, you can break or bent it. Then you will be buying someone a new sword.
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Feb 12, 2015 17:26:12 GMT
Ha, agree on the leg shaving, I stopped doing it on my arms as well, my gf kept making fun of the patchy look Seriously, it's not that easy to damage a good sword cutting soft targets with proper form. I do cutting seminars in my club all the time and beginners always start with easy targets like small plastic bottles and tetra packs and even they never managed to actually damage a blade on these using poor form, much less someone with experience. I wouldn't cut 3" newspaper rolls or double tatami mats with a sword I don't own but small plastic bottles or tetra packs don't pose a risk IMO, nor does an occasional whack on the stand. I'm testing every blade I make by using it the way my customer will (hopefully) be using it. Can I usually predict the outcome? Of course but I like making sure. And it's fun, too
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Feb 12, 2015 18:57:32 GMT
I do know its sharp, so don't try to insinuate that i don't know how to sharpen a sword just because i make a video to prove such. the videos aren't for me dude. they are for the customer and everyone else to see that the sword works as intended. when someone sends me a sword to sharpen its because they want it to perform in cutting, and they are more than welcome to decline the Proof video when asked. Most of the time when someone sends me a sword i'm not JUST sharpening, i'm reprofiling a poorly done edge geometry and fixing it so that instead of being super sharp and still batting bottles, it is capable of making clean effortless cuts. If i paid someone 100$ to sharpen a blade for me so it will perform, id be pretty pissed if i got it back and it didn't cut as it was meant to when i sent it out. It doesnt matter how sharp the edge is, if the edge geometry is wrong it will not cut like its supposed to, and the best way to measure this is to try cutting with it. If a happen to destroy someones sword while cutting a plastic bottle, I'll pay for it. Simple as that.
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Post by Razor on Feb 12, 2015 20:20:11 GMT
I do know its sharp, so don't try to insinuate that i don't know how to sharpen a sword just because i make a video to prove such. the videos aren't for me dude. they are for the customer and everyone else to see that the sword works as intended. when someone sends me a sword to sharpen its because they want it to perform in cutting, and they are more than welcome to decline the Proof video when asked. Most of the time when someone sends me a sword i'm not JUST sharpening, i'm reprofiling a poorly done edge geometry and fixing it so that instead of being super sharp and still batting bottles, it is capable of making clean effortless cuts. If i paid someone 100$ to sharpen a blade for me so it will perform, id be pretty pissed if i got it back and it didn't cut as it was meant to when i sent it out. It doesnt matter how sharp the edge is, if the edge geometry is wrong it will not cut like its supposed to, and the best way to measure this is to try cutting with it. If a happen to destroy someones sword while cutting a plastic bottle, I'll pay for it. Simple as that. But you proof video doesn't show your reprofiled edge, it just shows you cutting with water bottles, and most factory blades come sharp enough to do that. Even MRL and KOA sharpening service cut sharpen a blade to cut water bottles with ease. It would be better to take before and after pic/vid of the edge to show you customer and future customers than just showing cutting vids. If you wanted to add cutting to the video, your first cut would of been good enough, after that it just looks like you are just playing around with your customers swords and hitting the stand really doesn't add good PR. Honestly, if this was my sword I wouldn't be to happy and would not send you another sword. And if I was a guy looking for someone to sharpen my sword, your video would turn me off sending it to you, because if that's how you treat that guys sword what then how would you treat my sword.
This is video is a better video showing how sharp a sword is than just a cutting video. you do something like this with some pic of before and after and a cut or two and it would show your work off better.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Feb 12, 2015 21:48:00 GMT
again...it's a moot point because anyone who did not want their sword to be tested in a proof video could just say so upon being asked. Showing someone a picture of a sharpened edge tells you nothing about the cutting ability of the sword. If someone sends a sword and says "i want my sword to make effortless silent cuts" and i sharpen it and then don't even test it on whatever medium they plan on using it for, and send it back and it bats bottles or slaps mats and doesn't make those clean cuts. They wasted their money sending it. When people see the videos they know that 100% this sword is capable of making "X" cuts, and so do potential customers who would also like their swords to be able to do such. Also, i have yet to see a euro sword come from the factory with any way shape or form of an ideal edge that slices bottles and doesnt rip/tear/explode/bat them. all of the swords ive handled were not even butter knife sharp.
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Post by Voltan on Feb 12, 2015 22:20:55 GMT
...Also, i have yet to see a euro sword come from the factory with any way shape or form of an ideal edge that slices bottles and doesnt rip/tear/explode/bat them... I have...both the H/T Longsword & Bastard swords I got a couple years ago from KOA had excellent factory edges. No secondary bevels, and they indeed sliced through targets as opposed to tearing through them...
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Feb 12, 2015 22:33:00 GMT
Thats awesome that you got a couple good ones Voltan, ive handled 3 of the tinker Longswords, 2 GSOW's, 2 of the vikings, a Windlass Ulfbehrt, a Nielo swords single hander, a Valient Armory praetorian Gladius, and the Darksword armory black knight. none of them would cut paper or a bottle without tearing it, batting it, or exploding it. These are the condition the swords im receiving for sharpening are in, if someones sword from the factory will already do it they have no reason to send it to me But when someone sends me a sword and says it wont cut worth a crap and they want me to fix that. It doesn't do much good for me to sharpen it and then just assume it's ok and send it back to them without testing it (unless that's what they want)
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Post by TomK on Feb 12, 2015 23:34:32 GMT
The way I see it, if the customer has given the thumbs up then there is no problem.
Everyone has their own way of being satisfied with their work, the way they feel tells them what they need to know to know they've done a good job. If you don't like the way a guy does that, get someone else to do the work
I also agree with Cheness fan that there is really little danger of anything going wrong this way
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Feb 13, 2015 4:31:20 GMT
Ever said you couldn't sharpen a sword, don't know where you got this from.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Feb 13, 2015 15:33:07 GMT
"if you know how to sharpen you know it will cut without testing it. I don't have to shave the hair off my leg to know it will shave." I'm not here to get into a debate with anyone. The footage is here because i wanted to show the customer that his sword that he sent to me that was blunt and totally unsharpened now slices a common backyard cutting target with little to no effort. Said customer never objected to the proof video, so having made said video i posted it here for everyone to watch so they could see that when you send a sword to me, it will cut when it comes back. Now everyone who watched my video knows I can sharpen a blade. It wasn't about me knowing, it was about the customer and everyone else knowing. This will be my last post on this thread and I'm going to say this for the last time.... The cutting proof video is optional...If a customer says "hey I trust you just sharpen it, I don't want it cut with" it will never be used for such. Enjoy the cutting video, if you like the performance of my edge send me a sword, if not, there are plenty of other guys out there who would enjoy your patronage. Mr Voltan here being one of them, I know he can put a wicked edge on a blade just as well as I.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Feb 13, 2015 16:27:15 GMT
Well if you don't want debates don't go on a public forum where people can debate. Don't expect everyone to just agree with you.
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