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Post by Kiyoshi on Sept 24, 2015 3:42:03 GMT
I'll be awaiting pics. This looks like a nice project. ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Oct 5, 2015 13:29:13 GMT
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addertooth
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Working the tsuka on two bare blades from Ninja-Katana, slow progress
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Post by addertooth on Oct 5, 2015 19:35:09 GMT
Messenger, Could you do a big, high detail shot of the Habaki?
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Post by zabazagobo on Oct 5, 2015 19:40:22 GMT
Messenger, that keeps looking better and better the more I see of it. If I decide to jump on another ebay katana I might finally cave in and buy a St. Nihonto.
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Oct 5, 2015 19:40:28 GMT
Messenger, Could you do a big, high detail shot of the Habaki? Unfortunately, I don't own the katana yet, these pics were sent by Even-Sword, so once I get it, I can definitely do that. (Does something about it look wrong to you?) At any rate, I also found out that only ST-Nihonto is owned by Sheng, whilst Even-Sword and Tsunami-Dragon are owned by his younger brother. (This also explains why Kiyoshi and my experiences have been so different, Even is much better with communication with me than Sheng has been with him.) Even asked me to specify that he owns only Even-Sword and Tsunami-Dragon in my review, as he said that he works separately from his brother Sheng, though they have the same suppliers for fittings. According to him: Alex:
Thank you very much for your understand. . I hope when you put sword in the forum, Specify the sword from swordsmith ( tsunami-dragon, Even ).
When someone is confused, I hope you can help me explain it to people. Sheng and me are not the same person, he is my brother.I have my own style of make sword
best wish
even
And this might actually be true, as Kiyoshi is currently filing a claim with Sheng because of slowness and not sending him photos that he was promised. We'll see.
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Oct 5, 2015 19:43:38 GMT
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Post by Krelian on Oct 5, 2015 21:12:51 GMT
Pretty common. I've long held the theory that the eBay "forges" order 2-3 of a given custom order to help defray costs and have a backup on-hand in case there's something wrong with the first one.
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Oct 5, 2015 21:54:41 GMT
Pretty common. I've long held the theory that the eBay "forges" order 2-3 of a given custom order to help defray costs and have a backup on-hand in case there's something wrong with the first one. Well, considering the katana was custom built from scratch (along with in-progress pics being sent to me regularly), I also think that they keep the design and remake it, as I know that they have done with other custom orders. That way, they have new designs and products in their store. (I doubt that they made 10 of them, as the quantity states that they have. Plus, I know the pics they took for that listing were for my OWN katana, not one of the duplicates, judging by patterns in the hamon and other minor factors.)
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Post by Kiyoshi on Oct 5, 2015 22:08:26 GMT
Pretty common. I've long held the theory that the eBay "forges" order 2-3 of a given custom order to help defray costs and have a backup on-hand in case there's something wrong with the first one. It says that there are 10 available though. I've not seen any of my customs listed on sheng's page either. Maybe my tastes just aren't good enough? Lol
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Oct 5, 2015 22:15:18 GMT
Pretty common. I've long held the theory that the eBay "forges" order 2-3 of a given custom order to help defray costs and have a backup on-hand in case there's something wrong with the first one. It says that there are 10 available though. I've not seen any of my customs listed on sheng's page either. Maybe my tastes just aren't good enough? Lol Doubt that, my own katana was only posted on Even's pages after it was finished - considering yours (sadly) isn't done yet, I'm not surprised Sheng didn't put it up for offer yet.
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Post by Kiyoshi on Oct 5, 2015 22:24:19 GMT
He didn't put up my last custom either though. It was a simple design, sure, but it's not there. I just want to know one way or another if I'm getting my money or sword. PayPal's claim process is almost as slow as sheng's responses. Lol
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Oct 5, 2015 22:36:34 GMT
He didn't put up my last custom either though. It was a simple design, sure, but it's not there. I just want to know one way or another if I'm getting my money or sword. PayPal's claim process is almost as slow as sheng's responses. Lol Well, whichever way works for you - and who knows, maybe Even just cares about it a bit more than Sheng does, who knows? I do recall that, at the beginning of speaking to Even about a custom order, he told me that he was relatively knew into the katana business, and wanted to put out a quality product to show what he could do. At the time, I thought he was still Sheng, so I didn't really get that, but now I suppose it makes sense, as both Even-Sword and Tsunami-Dragon are newer ebay pages than ST-Nihonto. BTW, anyone know what's up with this katana: www.ebay.com/itm/TOP-QUALITY-Hishi-Gami-JAPANESE-SAMURAI-SWORD-KATANA-MAKURI-Shinken-BLADE-SHARP-/111643163128?hash=item19fe7379f8
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Post by Kiyoshi on Oct 5, 2015 22:43:34 GMT
Looks like it costs a little more than I'd pay for it. On the bright side, you can see what appears to be lamination lines. So it seems he understands what one would look for. If he ever makes an unlaminated sword and sells it as such, it won't be because of a mistake.
Even does appear to care more. He also appears more laid back about things but still eager to prove his skill. I kinda wish I'd chosen him. I had thought he was sheng so I went with sheng's account. Bad move on my part apparently. Oh, and according to another member, the shinken-katana page is replied to by sheng.
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Oct 5, 2015 22:47:59 GMT
Looks like it costs a little more than I'd pay for it. On the bright side, you can see what appears to be lamination lines. So it seems he understands what one would look for. If he ever makes an unlaminated sword and sells it as such, it won't be because of a mistake. Even does appear to care more. He also appears more laid back about things but still eager to prove his skill. I kinda wish I'd chosen him. I had thought he was sheng so I went with sheng's account. Bad move on my part apparently. Oh, and according to another member, the shinken-katana page is replied to by sheng. Yeah, I could tell it was laminated in the maukir structure from this pic of the mune: ![](http://www.even-sword.com/evensword/japannesetsuba110.jpg) But I was more curious as to the words inscribed on it: ![](http://www.even-sword.com/evensword/japannesetsuba112.jpg) As well as what "Shinkea" is, as Even says: "Shinkea is a soft core steel making sword not breakable". I've never heard of it before, and was wondering if anyone else had.
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Post by Kiyoshi on Oct 5, 2015 22:59:43 GMT
Unbreakable? Ask him if that is a guarantee and send it to me. I've always wanted to try sword breaking techniques and sword disarming parrys. That sword would be perfect for that. Lol. I don't think anything is really unbreakable. A cold steel bokken comes close but even those aren't
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Oct 5, 2015 23:11:23 GMT
I think he means more resistant to breaking - from the way he describes it, Shinkea is some type of highly soft steel making the blade nigh impervious to breaking under normal conditions - sure, you could break it in a vice or run over it with a truck, but neither of those are very traditional, are they? XD
I was just wondering what made this particular katana special, besides the Makuri lamination, like the inner core steel type, or the inscription.
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Post by Kiyoshi on Oct 5, 2015 23:17:02 GMT
It seems to be that. The rest of the sword looks very normal. Just a combination of things that supposedly increases its value. Unfortunately, after a certain point, I don't think the swords they put out are worth it anymore and those would be one of those.
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Oct 5, 2015 23:22:33 GMT
I agree, it's all about price-to-value ratio, and even a laminated katana with folded 1095 steel and a Shinkea (still no idea wtf this stuff actually is) core, it's not really worth it. I ean, you can get a laminated blade from him for MUCH less.
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Post by nihontocaster on Oct 6, 2015 0:33:52 GMT
Even if there are people who would pay that much for a Longquan Katana, they would expect more features. Like a great looking Hamon, like a pretty Choji. Real silk wrap, or at least real Japanese cotton. Or real leather. Fittings look painted, which wont work that great at that price point also. Rayskin would have to be better quality. Saya of course should be with real buffalo parts and probably not just the generic black gloss one without (Honestly that and the Ito are the worst part, what did he think slapping those on a sword of that price point?) Not commenting on the engraving, looks neither traditional not pretty imho ![:P](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) Just look at the 500-600 Dollar Huawei for comparison, no lamination but the fittings, Saya, Hamon... Your sword looks nice ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) While I wouldn't be interested at the price point, it looks like an interesting piece in general ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by addertooth on Oct 6, 2015 0:40:30 GMT
Most likely the Shinkea is classical Kobuse or Shihozume structure. On those swords 1045 steel is commonly used as the core.
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