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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2007 14:18:17 GMT
standard questions, size, weight and length of your swords razor? The other question is a harder one, is the blade alive in the hand? And is the balance neutral or is it more blade heavy? If it is a reasonable representation of the real ones then i will be most interested.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2007 18:35:07 GMT
First of all "broadsword" is also a misnomer. It should be just "dao". butterfly knife is "hu die shuang dao" note " hu die is butterfly and shuang means double as they are normally used together.
you're right dan means single.
pls do! after all this thread is about Chinese sword history!
the book was published before standard romanization was established so you can imagine there is a lot of variation in earlier references to Chinese language.
dao simply means any single edge blade from kitchen knife to pole arms. It doesn't have to be broad bladed. Just to cross reference, note "nihonto" to=dao. the Chinese character and kanji are one and the same.
One important note is that I am using standard Mandarin Chinese pinyin (pronunciation) just because it is now the generally accepted form internationally. "darn" would most likely be from the Cantonese dialect which is prevalent among Southern Chinese martial arts. I speak both so I understand the confusion to nonspeakers. ;D It also shows the much needed standardization that Chinese martial arts needs.
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Post by Razor on Oct 14, 2007 1:03:24 GMT
This is sooo cool, I'm learning the correct names for all the daos, and this thread got me interested in Chinese sword history again. For a long time I have been trying to find a good book on darn daos, I have the Northern Shaolin Sword by Dr. Yang and I really like the book. Dr. yang wrote in his book that he was going to one on the saber but I have never seen it. This mourning I finally found a book about daos. what do you think about the book Garrettc? www.wle.com/products/B301.htmlYeah I think you right about darn being Cantonese because I remember my instructor saying something learning to say numbers,strikes, and other moves in Cantonese. The main darn dao set I learned was from Hung gar , which is a Southern Chinese martial art. I'll take some pics and see how they turn out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2007 1:18:27 GMT
This is sooo cool, I'm learning the correct names for all the daos, and this thread got me interested in Chinese sword history again. good to hear! That was the point of the thread! I'm not familiar with that book but from the description I'd say it focuses more on the forms and movements and not so much on the sword itself. However, here's a good site about Chinese sword history in general: thomaschen.freewebspace.com/
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Post by Razor on Oct 14, 2007 3:52:36 GMT
standard questions, size, weight and length of your swords razor? The other question is a harder one, is the blade alive in the hand? And is the balance neutral or is it more blade heavy? If it is a reasonable representation of the real ones then i will be most interested. Chinese's style is very fluid and uses the momentum of the blade to generate speed and power and Cold Steel's dao does it very good. here is the answers to the standard question except for the POB that is 7" www.coldsteel.com/bagwill.htmlI've only had two oxtail daos and the other one's POB is 71/2" and is not as lively as Cold Steel's Cold steel's dao is my favorite one that I have, it flows through move with ease. I also like to practice my military saber drills with it better than my clam shell cutlass. I don't know what the POB should be on oxtail daos maybe Garrett can tell us.
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Post by Razor on Oct 14, 2007 4:15:41 GMT
The pictures worked! This one is from Men-at-arms Series Medieval Chinese Armies 1260-1520: Drilling with the two-handed sword, after Wu Pei Chih. these are from the book Chinese Weapons PREFACE CHINESE WEAPONS was originally published in 1932 by Royal Asiatic Society, North China Branch, Peking. It is interesting to note that just two days after the proof of the book had been delivered to the publisher, Japanese bombs destroyed the Commercial Press along with the author's original manuscript and the plates, which were ready for the final printing. Had delivery of the proofs been delayed two days, the book might never have been published.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2007 20:46:07 GMT
nice pics Razor!
Although, I'm not sure about the historical accuracy of the sandboat pic. Their banners say they are Jin dynasty (265-420 AD) but curved Chinese swords weren't around until the Song dynasty (960-1279 AD) after fighting with the Mongols and other steppe tribes. but I really like the drawing of the guy with 2 dao climbing the siege ladder lol!
As for the POB for oxtails, I'd say it should be around 6-6.5". Anything far out of that range is not really accurate. Take for example the katana which is a 2 handed dedicated slicer with very little distal taper. A katana's POB is usually around 6" so it doesn't make any sense to have a distal tapered single handed dao with a POB further down than the katana.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2007 3:38:44 GMT
Dao is used by both untrained and trained warriors throughout China, though there are more untrained warrior/bandit who use Dao more than Jian, this is simply because Jian is a mean of Class, only high class were given (pei) Jian.
Dao is more fearsome and easy to practice since it's single edged.
Unlike Dao, Jian is more for the 'good' people as it is more graceful in performance and requires strength for combat as you would have to defend yourself single handed (occasionally Jian is hold by two hands).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 3:27:45 GMT
This is awesome to see. Some of these Chinese blades are beautiful. I want them all! Haha. Chinese and Japanese weaponry designs are like art imo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 3:43:33 GMT
Arghhh...You Tube won't play the video for meeeeeeeeeeee EDIT: Nevermind! I'm a spaz!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2008 21:43:41 GMT
I seem to remember Cold steel having a two-handed jian with a longer blade. anyone know about it?
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