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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 5, 2014 0:42:40 GMT
Short intro: I bought this Gen 2 High Elven King Sword new from Arms of Valor back in Dec 2004. This was my first "live" steel Euro sword. I had never before disassembled it until very recently and found some disturbing things about the tang... feedback/comments welcome.
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Post by Aaron on Apr 5, 2014 1:32:06 GMT
Would it be possible to get a picture of the whole tang? I'm curious where the extension actually begins.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 5, 2014 1:38:14 GMT
I'll post one up tomorrow morning...
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 5, 2014 2:28:33 GMT
nope, definitely not JB Weld... it's some kind of heat weld, kind of like a MIG or TIG weld imho. I'll take better pictures tomorrow morning and post them to this thread
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 5, 2014 18:12:11 GMT
Sorry about the wait, but here are the tang and weld pics in better detail
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Post by bpogue on Apr 5, 2014 18:19:10 GMT
I'm not aware of the full history of every model advertised under Gen2... having said that I would be very surprised if this sword came from the current Legacy Arms / originally Gen2 forge. The biggest reason I say this is that the fittings are cast while the LA forge has no casting equipment. They may have in the past I guess. Regardless we've moved the forge away from threading tangs altogether.
Blake
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 5, 2014 18:47:48 GMT
I found the original invoice from AOV... I've deleted my mailing address/other personal info. Invoice Order #28451 Date: 12/13/2004 17:43:52 Eastern Daylight Time Thank you for your order. Please keep this invoice for your records. Code Product Quantity Price/Ea. Total AoV-001-1 High Elven King Sword (Battle-Ready) 1 $249.00 $249.00 Shipping: UPS Ground: $12.94 Sales Tax: $0.00 Total: $261.94 Questions or comments? Email us at: armsofvalor@earthlink.net! Copyright ©1997-2004 Arms of Valor, Ltd. Blake, thanks for your input. I've had this sword tucked away since first getting it back in late '04, and aside from some dry handling back then, I haven't cut anything with it. What's surprising me is the welded tang... I don't know if this really is a Gen2 sword either, but from reading posts here and on the old SBG site, I kind of think it is. In any case, I think I'll be keeping it as a wall hanger than anything else at this point since I don't trust the welded tang to risk cutting with it.
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Post by Aaron on Apr 5, 2014 19:33:02 GMT
It was made back when AoV was still very close with Gen2 (but before Clyde bought the site from Jason). I remember when that sword first came out, it definitely is a Gen2 piece. I believe it was Jason's personal design for Ringil that he gave to Clyde to have made, though it's been a long time and my memory on that may be fuzzy.
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Post by bpogue on Apr 5, 2014 19:44:02 GMT
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Post by Aaron on Apr 5, 2014 19:53:35 GMT
Yep. I believe there was a second run with the "fancier" hilt design that the OP has, but I could be wrong.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 5, 2014 19:55:17 GMT
The blade has AOV etched on one side, China on the other... other than that, no G2 markings. Aaron, thanks for your input as well.
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Post by bpogue on Apr 5, 2014 20:04:37 GMT
The Legacy Arms / Gen 2 forge is in The Philippines.
Blake
Edit to say; that doesn't mean that there were swords from other forges marketed as Gen2 at some time...
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 5, 2014 23:20:56 GMT
any comments about the sword being "usable" to cut light/medium targets? Like I mentioned earlier, I doubt it'll see any action, will remain a wallhanger in my collection.
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Post by RicWilly on Apr 6, 2014 0:06:34 GMT
I remember a discussion about theaded Gen2 swords from a few years ago. A fellow tore one of there viking swords down and to reveal a welded thread similar to the method Lutel uses on their tangs. It had been peened as well. If I recall correctly, Clyde joined the conversation and explained it was a common way the swords were constructed at the time and they were strong enough for rough use tho it did seem a bit of a deceptive practice to me as there was no mention of threads in the description. At any rate I have never heard of a Gen2 failure at the tang so I figure its all good.
Having said all that, the tang I saw in that thread didn't look like the one in your pics, LG. Maybe they farmed out the construction on your sword but that is pure speculation on my part.
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Post by RicWilly on Apr 6, 2014 0:38:21 GMT
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 6, 2014 1:48:48 GMT
yeah, the pommel on mine isn't peened, it's just threaded on and held on using some kind of locktite... I'll take pictures of the pommel tomorrow and add it to the thread.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 6, 2014 14:28:31 GMT
Here are the pommel pics... notice how the threaded tang extends through the wood core and it and the pommel threads are covered in some kind of filler/locking material. I can't tell what it is, but it's not JB Weld (not grey) or something similar just from its color.
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Post by Aaron on Apr 6, 2014 15:39:35 GMT
Hmmm....the sword being from China is strange. I wonder if Arms of Valor used a different forge for the second run? I wish Jason or Clyde were still around to answer stuff like this.
As for the weld, I probably wouldn't worry about it. The tang and shoulders look pretty solid and the weld is far enough down that I doubt it will see a whole lot of stress in that spot.
Still, I probably wouldn't take it to anything more than bottles.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Apr 6, 2014 15:53:43 GMT
I've got a set of these hilt parts (guard and pommel) as per the OP if anyone wants to buy them? PM if interested/ questions.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 6, 2014 15:59:54 GMT
Just a thought... since I'm not that familiar with Euro type blades (JSA mostly), approximately how much work/cost would be involved in replacing the blade with something like a Tinker blade or just getting the tang extended/peened? Thanks in advance. I know some of you are going to say "email Ernie - he'll start you off on the right foot"...
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