Uhlan
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 29, 2014 22:40:30 GMT
For some time I have tried to indentify this : Its an Officers Degen, not a fighting blade. The backstrap has no ears too. There seem to be some triangular holes in the hilt and said hilt reminds me of Austria, but could be from one of the many German states. Not British and it has this rather long ricasso. Also, the scabbard has two rings, typical of ,, Extra'' sabers, for wear in civilian situations. Cannot make head or tail of this thing. Anybody out there who can help? Cheers. Picture is cropped, so do the ,,view image'' thingy to get it in full.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 30, 2014 11:18:08 GMT
Got a few more pics and a bit more light? A good view of the face of the hilt would be useful.
You're right, with seven German States and Soligen marketing to the world it can be tough finding a home for stray animals. Blade is dinky enough to be a dress sword to boot. :?
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 30, 2014 17:31:25 GMT
This photo is from the seller. Do not want to wake him up just yet. Was hoping someone here had some info, so I could consider it for placement on the ,, to buy '' list and than ask him for more info. The man had another one, also mislabeled like this one. It turned out to be an Austrian Cav. Off. M 1850 and thanks to your expertise I could place it as Militia or Territorial Aux, since you stated in a review of Austrian M 1869, these were fitted with brass hilts. Took me a month and mucho re reading of old texts in dank cellars, but this morning I got hold of that review by accident. That problem is solved, thanks. People did not call me ,,the Jesuit'' for nothing. Here is the A. CAV. OFF. M 1850: Seems to have a working blade too, somewhat lighter than the Enlisted versions and the backstrap ears are missing, which fits with the Off. designation, but the workmanship of the basket is rather crude, which could fit the Militia label. I find questions like these intrigueing and more fun than actually buying the damn things. Back to the sword in question: What I never have seen before are the triangular appertures, placed in, what seems, a (semi) circle around the blade stem. The long ricasso reminds me of Prussia or German Imperial ,, Degen '', but, as you said, Solingen exported the world over, so I would not be surprised if it would turn out to be Argentinian or something like that. Ah well, sooner or later I will find it, or my name is not Ignatius of Toyota.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 30, 2014 19:38:36 GMT
The brass hilt is either an 1850 or a 58. I have a hard time telling them apart in photos and don't have either officers types in my collection. The hilt design and placement of the lanyard mount point is the same.
The first one I can't find in any of my lil library books. There aren't that many military saers with that hilt. The Austrian M1850 and the Swiss '67.
When all else fails tell 'em it's a personal dueling sabre...
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 30, 2014 20:45:45 GMT
,, When all else fails tell 'em it's a personal dueling sabre...'' Yes, could be Swiss also. Pity there is next to nothing about Swiss sabres on the net. Shame that. They made some very good stuff. Thanks for your time anyway. Ignatius will keep on poking and prodding untill the truth comes out, in the end... Cheers.
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