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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2008 1:54:38 GMT
hey I always wondered something about SCA and didn't want to start a new thread.
If you get hit to the point of being "dead" or incapacitated, is that it for you for the day? Or can you like get back into it after a waiting period or what?
Thanks in advance
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2008 2:07:37 GMT
Depends on the scenario. In a tournament, it is generally double elimination. In melee/war, depends. Some are full resurrection (just tap the "starting" point), some have limited lives (again tap starting point), and some are one life, that's it. We generally have res battles both for the joy of fighting, and because skirmishes may run from the 50-200 people. So "res" is supposed to ideally act like larger battles.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2008 3:43:30 GMT
sweet man thanks for the response
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2008 23:09:30 GMT
One cool use of resurrections is at the Pennsic Castle Battle. Generally you don't attack a Castle or Fortress unless you outnumber them at least 3 to 1. In the Castle Battle both sides are just about even so the guys on the outside get 3 resurrections. The guys on the inside get none. The result is that the guys on the outside have 4 times as many people. We fight until guys on the inside are all dead or until the guys on the outside have used up all their lives. Then we take a half hour rest and switch sides and refight the battle.
Full resurrection battles are usually timed, 90 min, 120 min, 360min. In these battle both sides get an unlimited amount of resurrections. At the end of the time we see who control the most flag points. The resurrection point are usually a good walk. So dieing really hurts your side.
In no resurrection battles, you just fight until one side had no more men left. Those usually last only 15 to 30 minutes.
Note: in a resurrection battle it is not always best to kill the enemy. If you hit their legs they are wounded and must fight from their knees. It is better to leg the enemy and leave them there crippled so they can't resurrect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2008 23:56:20 GMT
Until one of his buddies decides "Friendly Fire Ain't" and kills his buddy, allowing him to rez. But I digress.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2008 2:34:20 GMT
Until one of his buddies decides "Friendly Fire Ain't" and kills his buddy, allowing him to rez. But I digress. But in this case, friendly fire really is friendly .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2008 6:28:54 GMT
Thats really not playing fair Where's Rammstien and Adam??? We were all having such a good time
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2008 6:37:18 GMT
Well yes...but it does minimize the leg em and leave em tactics...which also isn't very fair...nor fun for the legged person.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2008 13:53:20 GMT
And with some kingdoms having the "If you are legged, you can't move" thing going on, it really becomes quite boring. Especially when they send the newbie spear over to "practice". Personally, I dont get legged often, but maybe that is because I am dying 4 ranks in with a charge....
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Post by rammstein on Mar 8, 2008 0:20:11 GMT
Still here, but I had asked Paul to ban me for a week (no issues, just my personal request) and just got back.
Not really much to add though...
I'm not really in favor of resurrection, but then again, there really isn't enough people in the SCA battles to really fight without that little perk.
What it does due however, is emphasize another problem we've not talked much about - morale: Morale is very important in battle and the fact is, I'm not going to be afraid of you if you come swinging some safety oriented blunt with me all encased in armour. I may even manage a laugh or two! But with resrueection, it's rather pointless to conserve your life as you'll just be born again!
This applies to any martial recreaction, of course.
Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2008 0:30:38 GMT
Yeah, we tend to be a bit free-er during rez battles. I would tend to argue that those are less indicative of any extrapolations. If you only get to fight until you die once, you are a heck of a lot more cautious. The rez part I believe cropped up because fighters wanted to *gasp* fight more! *gasp*.
But does any other group accurately help work at morale? I guess your morale is lower if you KNOW that you will lose the hill and have to retreat in (checks his portable sundial) 30 min.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2008 4:06:15 GMT
In a big resurrection battle at Pennsic the res-point is usually a good 10 minute walk through forest in armor. Its not a fun walk. If you do something suicidal in the beginning, you will not be so eager to die again after that walk.
Welcome back Ram.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 17:34:07 GMT
That's where you're thinking, "I got to get me some lighter legs!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 17:55:44 GMT
Note: in a resurrection battle it is not always best to kill the enemy. If you hit their legs they are wounded and must fight from their knees. It is better to leg the enemy and leave them there crippled so they can't resurrect. Hmm. I find that interesting. I wonder if it was done in actual battle. Not to prevent resurrection of course, but to further burden the enemy army with casualties that they would have to both treat medically and support. The same way modern landmines work. They don't kill the victim, then just blow off a foot, which in turn makes you a burden on your allies, because they now have to support you. On the other hand, I am suspicious of the fact that the medieval man might not care about his neighbour's wellbeing so much, and might just decide to kill him if he becomes a burden...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 18:01:17 GMT
Well the art of war does specifically state that a wounded enemy is better then a dead one. It saps much more of the enemy army resources.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 2:55:52 GMT
It really matters not what aspect of martial art or arts you train in. When the poop hits the fan it's the onorthodox guy that usually wins because you just can't predict his movements or strikes. Nobody knows what happened in a real swordfight 1000 years ago. I am sure every fight was as different as night and day.
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Post by rammstein on Mar 11, 2008 2:58:36 GMT
Au contraire, it's the person who's trained enough to know how to defeat unorthodox fighters who wins.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 14:09:42 GMT
The two most dangerous opponents you will face:
The expert, because he knows what works The brand new guy, because he doesn't know what he about to do will most likely get him killed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2008 18:06:50 GMT
Nothing more predictable than a professional soldier.
Trouble is the world is full of amateurs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2008 0:12:03 GMT
Please don't mistake unorthodox for unskilled. I never said unskilled I said onorthodox.
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