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Post by Onimusha on May 16, 2013 6:48:42 GMT
I understand what you're saying, and I wouldn't be satisfied with it either. I just hope it was a small slip that won't keep happening. I'd hate to see them pull a cheness.
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Post by kloborgg on May 16, 2013 6:58:55 GMT
As would I. I hope if there is a problem, that it will be remedied. I don't want to speak as if my experience is enough to show there's a downwards trend of any sort, but just in case there is I want to do my part to draw attention to it and halt it.
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Post by normanno on May 18, 2013 14:22:36 GMT
I've resolved the problem of my "rattle Habaki". I made a seppa in aluminum sheet of 1 mm. It was easy to cut and to shaped like the seppa on my katana. Now it is solid like a nail! It isn't too bad for the aestetic. here two pictures Attachments:
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Post by kloborgg on May 18, 2013 15:29:34 GMT
That doesn't look half bad. Thanks for the idea.
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Post by normanno on May 18, 2013 18:37:38 GMT
Please note my habaki before I fixed it with the new seppa it moved in up down verse. Not left right.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 3:34:42 GMT
So I just bought a ronin dojo pro model #30 as of may 16th 2013. I heard all of these great stories of this brand and it made me have to buy one. the first thing ive noticed on my katana is the loose saya fit, not a big deal. but then I started to see more and more problems. For example all the scuffs and scratches on the blade which made me disassemble my katana. I could not remove the tsuba if my life depended on it. nothing a file couldn't remedy. The mekugi's had the same whitening problem but that didn't bother me. I had to use black tape on my sageo's loose ends cause that little string came loose that tied the ends firmly, now the end is completely unraveled. Now I don't know if this is right or wrong but I thought a real yokote line on the kissaki was supposed to have a slight bevel. well no bevel. my ryan sword and lyue sword has this but not ronin. and I am not getting used to that annoying greasy and waxy substance everytime I draw my blade. IT smears all over my blade and is tough enough to get off, but I think a gun cleaning kit with poles and cleaning solvent will remove the wax. and last thing my blade isn't fully straight. a slight curve at the end kissaski. just enough to be an annoyance. Overall I think this ronin dojo pro katana looks and feels the same quality as my lyue and ryanswords. I actually have less problems with those katana;s then my ronin. im pretty disappointed in this purchase but if I look at it as a 300 dollar katana then it sits in my head just fine. I just wish there was a way to make my blade sit firmly in my saya, everytime I pick up my katana it rattles and that can become annoying. Can someone tell me if this is normal with ronin. I bought it directly from ronin.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 3:55:04 GMT
your going to need tin snips green or red to cut the inner hole out. go buy a small piece of sheet metal. cut the seppa smaller than the original seppa so it is covered. this might actually make your tsuka alittle tighter than normal. start off with one and if that doesn't work try two. I had to use two for my masahiro.
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Post by Onimusha on May 20, 2013 4:12:11 GMT
This doesn't look good.
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Post by kloborgg on May 20, 2013 13:24:31 GMT
Sorry about your experiences, salvatore. The blade scuffs are, from what I've seen, pretty normal. I agree that the saya wax is annoying. It's not difficult to wipe it off, but it makes me want to re-oil the blade every few draws.
The sword doesn't have a real yokote, but I didn't mind this and they don't advertise one. I can't fault the sword for that.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 0:03:42 GMT
Yeah I guess I'm happy with it now. It's growing on me. I cut a milk jug. I did a double cut. Started from the top then back down and the cuts were so clean that I didn't even notice my plastic lunch box's corner was cut off. Nice clean cut and it didn't even leave a scuff on the blade. I just got my hanwei tori elite. Everything is wonderful but the habaki, it doesn't fit tight in the saya. And the blade was noticeably bent. I bent it back. A $1000 blade should not have these imperfections. That's my opinion.
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Post by Student of Sword on May 22, 2013 0:47:13 GMT
Most production katana will rattle in the saya. The only ones that fit the saya perfectly are Citadel, Bugei, and MAS. But they all cost over $1,000.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 0:59:37 GMT
So it's normal for a saya to fall right off a tori elite habaki
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Post by frankthebunny on May 22, 2013 1:55:05 GMT
QC for many of these swords are dicey at best so I'm not sure there is a "normal" really. A saya falling off is an easy fix. Did your sword come with a box of maintenance items, there should be a thin strip of wood in there. You would take a piece of this (or any thin, non acidic strip of wood) and glue it down on the mune inside the mouth of the saya. Add or file wood until the fit is tight enough.
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Post by kloborgg on May 22, 2013 2:29:52 GMT
Um, I can't say I agree. I have a $60 Musha katana and a $90 Jubei. Both fit very nicely, and the latter won't show any signs of movement without violent shaking. The Jubei is really near perfect as far as I can tell. The Ronin, unlike the other two, will rattle back and forth with any bit of movement. I would easily trade the buffalo horn pieces for a nice fit. frankthebunnyI'm not sure if you were asking me or salvatore, but the Ronin came with no maintenance items. After finding out the warranty was gone I tried gluing a shim to the side, but it made no real difference. I then put a small wad of cloth into the bottom of the Saya, and that made it a little better. Other than that, I'm just going to live with it.
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Post by Student of Sword on May 22, 2013 2:50:15 GMT
Are we speaking of rattle in the saya or fitting in the saya? Most new katana should fit in the saya. As you sheath and un-unsheath them over times; they will loosen and eventually just fall out for no reason. But rattling is the result of mass produced saya. A bunch of saya were made separately without the swords; then they were adjusted at the end when the worker marry the two; adjusting the throat to fit with the habaki. The only way one would guarantee no rattling is if the saya is specifically make for a katana, tailor made to fit a specific sword and habaki. Sure, sometime one is lucky and it fits just right.
According to Salvatore, the sword I sold him fall out of the saya. I must say I neglected to inspect that very feature. It should never happen with a new katana. I proposed that I refund some of the money to him for his trouble as well as an apology. I hope he accept my offer.
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Post by frankthebunny on May 22, 2013 3:10:38 GMT
Sorry, I meant that question/comment for the owner of the Tori. Shimming the inside of the saya for a tighter fit to the habaki is common maintenance and is usually necessary for all well used katana at some point as well as some ill fitting newer swords, it's really not a big deal at all. This isn't a fix for a loose habaki but just a loose saya fit. kloborgg - I would not recommend placing a cloth at the end of the saya as it could eventually cause rusting if it absorbs too much moisture. There was someone who kept finding the tip of the kissaki with rust on it and he couldn't figure out why until he remembered that he had placed a cloth in there to stop rattling. Just a little bit of leftover water on the blade from cutting bottles or mats could wind up causing problems if you're not very careful. Just keep an eye on it.
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Post by kloborgg on May 22, 2013 4:23:32 GMT
@student of Sword I meant rattling, though both swords I mentioned fit snugly and don't come close to falling out at all. I'm still not sure I fully accept that because katanas are mass-produced there is no way to make sure they have a decent fit (not perfect, just not noticeably bad). Else-wise I would just have to assume that I was incredibly lucky with my Musha and Jubei (which are most certainly mass-production swords). frankthebunnyThanks for the heads up. It's a bit too late to remove the cloth (I have no idea how I would go about doing that at this point), but it was only a little bit and I'll keep an eye on the blade and make sure moisture doesn't get into the saya.
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Post by Onimusha on May 22, 2013 6:08:37 GMT
go get yourself a cheap gun cleaning kit. You'd be surprised at how handy those things are. For example, the cleaning rod with a bore brush on the end will.pull that cloth right out.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 10:31:17 GMT
No kit. That sounds like a good idea. What kind of glue works best.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 10:44:33 GMT
Hey I understand these things happen. The blade was bent on my tori also. But I bent it back. Other than that. The katana is great sharp like a razor. Clean and prestige. Disassembly was stress free. Came off like a glove. I accept. You can pm me
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