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Post by lamebmx on Feb 12, 2013 0:23:08 GMT
One of those foot long metal bars will take the burr right off, just like how you touch up a kitchen knifes edge. I see them called hones a lot but forgot their proper name. The journey you are about to embark on will change the appearance of the hamon, I wrote up a how to on buffing it out somewhere on here. Another option would be to slice with the grain into wood.
Currently, It will be fine to cut with, might actually take the burr off just cutting with it. Save yourself a few bones and grab a good leather belt from the thrift store. It will just get mucked up with polishing compound and a bunch of slices in it.
When you cut with it, its going to scuff up the blade some anyways. If you dont have experience, its probably going to take some sets. Probably wont feel like it cuts good, but that will be you. Its bo-hi'd so you might save some by spending time cutting air with it until you get a good consistent tachikaze (if your hearing supports it).
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Post by OttoVonFaart on Feb 12, 2013 3:17:58 GMT
With tongue placed firmly in cheek... this is what I want. <grin> Absurdly Sharp BladeI can tell you with no ego this is my finest sword. If on your journey, you should encounter God, God will be cut.— Hattori Hanzo, Kill Bill An absurdly sharp blade is a bladed weapon with Absurd Cutting Power because it's just that damn sharp. No magic, technology, superpowers, or other type of Applied Phlebotinum required to slice and dice to your heart's content. Such things may have been involved in the production of the blade, but when in use, its cutting power comes from its pure physical sharpness alone. Blades like these almost always result in a Clean Cut — in fact, about the only thing they can't cut is a similarly sharp weapon. Expect to hear some Audible Sharpness (Audible Gleam optional) whenever one of these blades is in use. Frequently used in Single Stroke Battles. Be very afraid if an Absurdly Sharp Blade is in the hands of a swordsman with Implausible Fencing Powers; luckily, the Inverse Law of Sharpness and Accuracy usually ensures that it isn't. Sharpened to a Single Atom is a subtrope popular in Sci Fi settings, where the blade is so sharp that the width of the cutting edge can be measured in atoms or molecules. The above was taken in it's entirety from TV Tropes
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Post by lamebmx on Feb 12, 2013 11:06:09 GMT
Why yes, I owned one of those. Before I learned the secrets of edge alignment and form (which creates the ever so touted slice as it passes through the object). Alas it is true, I was a victim of said inverse laws!
Unfortunately I hit a bit of bad luck, and was unable to afford the power bill as electron microscopes are hungry buggers. Atoms love to roll off onto one side or another each cut. The maintenance on that edge was atrocious. After the expense of the blade, you have the microscope for inspection (wont even tough how long it takes to check a blade when you can see atoms) but you also have to have all that lead suiting since you need tools made out of radioactive materials to be able to move atoms of carbon and iron. Anything else and the atoms are gapped too far. If you use steel, you find yourself in this catch-22 of fixing the edge on the tools.
Wound up including the sword in a deal with a local university that was interested in a deal on the microscope. Last I heard the sword was thrown into a lake by some angry student. Turns out, they installed the microscope in a room and hung the sword on the wall. Unfortunately a little too close to the schools MRI machine. Student turned on the MRI machine early one morning, it grabbed hold of the sword and pulled it clean through the wall and through the student. They found him with a tsuba sized hole and the sword just hanging out in the tube of the MRI.
So yea, that blade was super fun for about 2 bottles. Then required about 20 bottles of aspirin.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Feb 12, 2013 14:44:20 GMT
Really not that difficult, good steel, time, patience, a very fine leather strop, (Chamois, kangaroo etc.) 12,000 grit diamond paste available from your jeweller and around 40 hours per side. But beware! when you reach that level you no longer want to cut with them in case they become just "silly sharp", you will drool over the edge and spend more time getting it "perfect", along will come someone who will run their thumb along the edge asking "Is it sharp?" and cut themselves to the bone, whereupon you will have to clean the blade thoroughly before taking the person to the ER for stitches. Or you will have a moments lapse in concentration and turn putting the kissaki through your elbow, more cleaning and trips to the ER. Just ask about really silly sharp edges
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Post by OttoVonFaart on Feb 12, 2013 15:45:02 GMT
Since I am retired and dependent on my monthly (and insufficient) social security stipend, I will not in all likelihood be able to afford an electron microscope without dipping into my retirement savings which I've cleverly hidden under my mattress. So I'm just going to have to sharpen Red Tomoe Flower of Carnage to a monomolecular edge which should be sufficiently sharp but somewhat easier to maintain. It should still be an absurdly sharp blade according to the accepted definition of an Absurdly Sharp Blade. Of course I haven't actually cut anything with my katana yet, haven't even really swung it around to listen for a tachikaze, which as I mentioned, I may not be able to hear since my high frequency hearing range is roughly zero on a scale of 1 thru 10. Apparently spending a lot of time firing belt fed machine guns from inside the door of a helicopter without wearing ear/hearing protectors can damage one's auditory sensitivity. Who knew? Certainly not the U.S. Marine Corps back in the mid-60s. Or maybe they just didn't care? In any event, I am going out to swing her around a bit today and listen for the sword wind. Yesterday evening I went out and got a 20X LED illuminated jewelers loupe which gets me close enough to clearly see the edge of the nagasa in detail. I have removed the wire edge using a single piece of 1500 grit paper lightly brushed back over the edge using the weight of the paper alone. Seems to have cleaned the factory edge just fine. I can no longer see or feel the wire edge or find any burrs whatsoever. I have a feeling that I'll eventually get around to cutting things up... and down and sideways. Next thing you know I'm going to have to go online and look and see if Toshiro Mufune's family has any of his old clothes for sale on eBay.
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Post by OttoVonFaart on Feb 12, 2013 16:05:25 GMT
I suspect that anybody who gets cut with Red Tomoe Flower of Carnage will be just SOL as I spent my entire professional life working in ERs & Critical Care Units, so essentially I already gave at the office. No freebies, that's my motto ~ OK besides the " No cerveza, no trabajo" thing. Besides, I really, really need a silly sharp blade so I can cleanly amputate the wings of annoying insects like houseflies & mosquitoes in mid-flight!
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Feb 13, 2013 1:22:25 GMT
Most of us Aussies only speak Aussie, (not to be confused with English) No Cerveza No Trabajo - Spanish - No Beer; No Work
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Post by The Picky Pict on Feb 16, 2013 1:28:36 GMT
Thank you for increasing my vocabulary! 'Raggedyass-ness' will now become an official term used in my shop on a daily basis. Have a beer on me, Cheesehead!..........lol.....Later!......Pict
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Post by OttoVonFaart on Feb 16, 2013 21:27:30 GMT
What kind of shop do you have where raggedyass-ness would apply?
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Post by zentesukenVII on Feb 17, 2013 6:54:01 GMT
Yeah cutting fireflies in summer is challenging and fun. I do not want to hear how this is cruel. Shut up, they are insects. INSECTS TO MY CUTTING POWER MWAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by George on Feb 18, 2013 7:37:28 GMT
Someone mentioned Hattori Hanzo from Kill Bill.
Funny thing is i just found out a REAL Hattori Hanzo was a retainer of the great Tokugawa Ieyasu. Hanzo was actually dispatched to kill Ieyasu's son (Nobuyasu) after he was though to be scheming with Ieyasus wife to work with the Takeda clan to kill and overthrow Ieyasu.
Hanzo couldn't do it in the end and his assistant had too (Cant remember his name Amb... something). Ieasu later remaked he was astonished 'Even a devil like Hanzo dare not cut off his master head.'
Wonder if that the guy the movie got the name from?
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Post by OttoVonFaart on Feb 18, 2013 10:41:03 GMT
I have a copy of Stephen Turnbull's "The Samurai Sourcebook" which is deemed to be fairly definitive, though he's written several other "definitive" books on medieval Japanese history and samurai warriors. Turnbull mentions Hattori Hanzo in more than a few of his works. A brief account mentions Hattori Oni no Hanzō 鬼の半蔵 aka/ Devil Hanzō. Hattori lead a group of ninja who helped rescue Tokugawa Ieyasu's family, prior to Ieyasu becoming Shogun. The Imperial Palace in Tokyo, formerly the Tokugawa stronghold has to this day, Hanzō's Gate (Hanzōmon) which after Tokugawa's consolidation of power was guarded by Hattori's men. So yeah, Hattori Honzo was a real guy who has achieved almost mythical folk hero status in Japan. So separating myth from reality is somewhat difficult. He was not, however, a sword smith.
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Post by MOK on Feb 18, 2013 11:12:19 GMT
Indirectly, yes. Sonny Chiba, the coolest, manliest, awesomest action star in known history - seriously, Chuck Norris wishes he was half as butch - played a fictionalized version of Hattori Hanzo and several of his descendants, each bearing the same name, over several seasons of the classic Japanese TV show Shadow Warriors. Tarantino then basically had the character(s), naturally still played by Sonny Chiba, do a cameo appearance in Kill Bill. Technically, IIRC, the guy in Kill Bill is actually Hattori Hanzo XIV.
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Post by OttoVonFaart on Feb 18, 2013 12:17:44 GMT
Tokugawa Ieyasu's son, Nobuyasu was accused of treason and conspiracy by Oda Nobunaga. Nobuyasu was then ordered to commit seppuku by his father, Ieyasu. When Nobuyasu was ordered to end his own life, Hanzo was called in to act as the official second to end Nobuyasu's suffering, but he refused to take the sword on the blood of his own lord. Ieyasu valued his loyalty after hearing of Hanzo's ordeal and said, " Even a demon can shed tears." Hattori Hanzo, the famous Ninja also known as Masashige. The son of a certain Hattori Yasunaga, Hanzo, who would earn the nickname 'Devil Hanzo', served Tokugawa Ieyasu loyally and usefully. His nickname - Devil Hanzo - was not only to pay homage to his skills but also to distinguish him from another Tokugawa 'ninja', Watanabe Hanzo. Hattori, who fought his first battle at the age of 16, went on to serve at Anegawa (1570) and Mikatagahara (1572), but his most valuable contribution came in 1582, following Oda Nobunaga's death. At that time Tokugawa and his retainers had been staying near Ôsaka and learned of the assassination only just in time to avoid being detained by Akechi Mitsuhide's troops. But they were by no means out of the woods. Mikawa was still a long way away, and Akechi men would be combing the roads for them. At this point, Hanzo suggested that they take a route through Iga province, as he had ties with the samurai there. In addition, Ieyasu had sheltered survivors from Nobunaga's bloody invasion of that province in 1580 and those who knew of this would certainly be well disposed to offer assistance. Honda Tadakatsu sent Hanzo on ahead, and, as hoped, the Iga men agreed not only to guide them along back roads, but also to provide them with an escort. At length, Tokugawa and his band returned to Mikawa safely. The same could not be said for Anayama Beisetsu, a recent Tokugawa addition who had insisted on taking a different route. Hanzo was succeded by his son, Masanari, who would be given the title Iwami-no-Kami and whose men would act as the guards of Edo Castle. Hanzo's reputation as a ninja leader who commanded a 200-man strong unit of Iga men has grown to legendary proportions. Hattori Hanzo 服部半蔵, the famous Ninja1541 - 1596 from Iga. Also known as Masashige. The son of a certain Hattori Yasunaga, Hanzo, who would earn the nickname 'Devil Hanzo', served Tokugawa Ieyasu loyally and usefully.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Feb 19, 2013 14:56:52 GMT
Not difficult... strive instead for de-sexing them mid-flight, requiring a small twist at the end of the stroke. :lol:
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Post by OttoVonFaart on Feb 19, 2013 16:57:45 GMT
I'll no doubt have to practice the technique a bit before I can be assured of success. Mosquitoes Doing The Dirty Deed
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Post by Lord Cobol on Feb 19, 2013 21:47:24 GMT
"Indirectly, yes. Sonny Chiba, the coolest, manliest, awesomest action star in known history - seriously, Chuck Norris wishes he was half as butch - played a fictionalized version of Hattori Hanzo and several of his descendants, each bearing the same name, over several seasons of the classic Japanese TV show Shadow Warriors. Tarantino then basically had the character(s), naturally still played by Sonny Chiba, do a cameo appearance in Kill Bill. Technically, IIRC, the guy in Kill Bill is actually Hattori Hanzo XIV."
And before Shadow Warriors, Chiba played Yagyuu Jubei in the vastly better (IMHO) The Yagyuu Conspiracy, in which his character kills Hattori Hanzo.
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Post by OttoVonFaart on Feb 19, 2013 22:56:25 GMT
As cool as Sonny Chiba is, he isn't a pimple on Toshiro Mufune's ass.
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