|
Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Jan 2, 2008 20:48:15 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 21:00:19 GMT
Wow, 75 " Thats 6 feet 4 inches. A bit pricey. Nice find Jak.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 21:21:45 GMT
Nice find. I notice they didn't post a weight on it. Too bad.
|
|
|
Post by rammstein on Jan 2, 2008 21:24:28 GMT
Nice find. I notice they didn't post a weight on it. Too bad. More than you ;D
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 21:25:48 GMT
Over 5 pounds. Or at least that's what the originals weighed. This is made by Rittersteel though, so it may be overweight, unwieldy, ect... www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.htmlEdit: make that 6 pounds...
|
|
|
Post by rammstein on Jan 2, 2008 21:45:56 GMT
This particular one might be just as overweight, unwieldy, etc. as the originals Not my favorite sword, obviously ;D
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 21:51:43 GMT
Apparently, despite the fact that many weighed over 6 or 7 pounds, they were quite wield-able. Just not by skinny men. Like me...
The scene in Rob Roy comes to mind. Guthrie the Scottish claymore fencer squeezes Tim Roth's bicep and state in that lovable accent. "Ye'd best use a musket!" ;D
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 21:59:19 GMT
Think of it as more of a polearm then a sword. 6 lbs is not too heavy for a pike. The Landsknecht will let you do some things that a pike will not (and vice versa). I actually have something similar to a Landsknecht in size and weight that I have fought with. First weapon on the left on the door behind me.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 22:09:41 GMT
Though, SCA weapons would be much lighter than the real thing, am I wrong?
|
|
|
Post by randomnobody on Jan 2, 2008 22:18:03 GMT
I've been wanting a sword of this size and style for some time. Unfortunately for me, I'm not too big a fan of the flamberge type blade. I prefer my edges straight. Cold Steels was on the top of my list for a while, but then I read some bad reviews of their stuff and lost faith in them until I hear they've improved significantly, and I haven't yet. Not this particular sword, anyway. Somebody linked a page once with several swords of this type, I think... I forget who and where, but I seem to recall the prices weren't much worse than this one... I've given up on saving for Albion's offering.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 22:22:10 GMT
Though, SCA weapons would be much lighter than the real thing, am I wrong? Depends on your preference. My Landsknecht is 75", 5 lbs 4 oz. I use washers in the pommol as a counter weight to the steel cross-guard. POB is right on the cross-guard thanks to the washers in the pommol. The POB on the cross makes it very maneuverable. The basket hilted sword on the ground is my primary fighting weapon along with my shield. It weighs 3 lbs 1 oz. It is 37" long and has a POB 3.5 inches below the hilt. I have experimented with single handed swords as light as 2 lbs 8 oz and as heavy as 3 lb 8 oz. I find have settled on the one in the picture as a good compromise between speed and mass. Other people model their swords on sabers. The use lighter aluminum baskets and thicker heavier rattan. Others put washers at the end of their swords to make them more hilt heavy. There is a lot you can do to get just weight, length and balance you want. The only requirement is that the blade must be 1.25 inches in diameter so it can't get through the face-grill on the helmets.
|
|
|
Post by rammstein on Jan 2, 2008 22:29:31 GMT
ACtually, SCA weapons are typically spot on in terms of weight (if anything, they're just a small tad heavier in general, at least from what I see). Don't forget that it's still a sword and still has edges and still will cut people in twain ;D. It's like a cleaver as much as a polearm, but it's primary purpose was getting through pike blocks. Pretty much ineffective past that in my books, although I know I'm wrong to some extent . (They ARE clumsy and unwieldy in comparison to other swords, but we need to remember that they were meant to be. A half pound small sword will hardly get through a pike block, now will it?) By the way tsafa - the "Landsknecht" was a military organization, not a weapon. The soldiers OF this formation were called Landskenchte, I believe. The weapon they used was a two handed sword (Bidenhander, Zweihander, Slachterschwert, whatever).
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 22:56:42 GMT
By the way tsafa - the "Landsknecht" was a military organization, not a weapon. The soldiers OF this formation were called Landskenchte, I believe. The weapon they used was a two handed sword (Bidenhander, Zweihander, Slachterschwert, whatever). That is interesting. I did not know that. Do you have any links for further reading. We should post links with pictures of the various two-handed weapons they used. I do not believe that has been done before.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 23:01:28 GMT
The ARMA link I gave above has a few, as well as a good overview of the history of the sword. I saw several at the Royal Ontario Museum, when I went with Sargon and KennyC. We'll have pictures up at some point.
|
|
|
Post by rammstein on Jan 2, 2008 23:09:57 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LandsknechteWikipedia is always helpful when new to something . Actually, although the two handed sword is attributed to the landsknechte, the members typically were pikemen. Only a select few actually used this sword as it was 1.) expensive compared to a pike and 2.) suicidal. They were't called "Doppelsoldners" for nothin'! Tsafa, I've got a large PDF file in german with copious amount of info on the Landsknecht. For the most part, it's all in german so I can't understand much, but starting from page 474 there are hundreds of pictures. Would you like me to email it? (offer is open to anyone else - pm me if interested).
|
|
|
Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Jan 3, 2008 0:52:48 GMT
ramm.. they were german mercenaries employed origionally to combat the swiss right? cant say i like their style of dress lol. big floppy hats with feathers...if it werent for them big swords and their reputation as doppelsoldners (double pay men) id have laughed my ass of on the battle field.
|
|
|
Post by rammstein on Jan 3, 2008 1:19:07 GMT
Hard to criticize style. In my own short lifetime, I can look back to the style popular at my birth and laugh my head off. Styles are always rediculous, we're just not as aware of that as we should be since we're so accustomed to it.
Would it be any better if they waged war in '60's style business suits?
oops, to answer your question: If I'm not misaken, I believe that's correct. Maximillian wanted a fighting force that could mimic the swiss in effectiveness.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2008 1:56:00 GMT
The Swiss had soldiers using zweihanders as well, IIRC. They just got rid of them quite early, exchanging them for more pikemen. They then became one of the most effective fighting forces of the time. So the Doppelsoldners weren't all they were cracked up to be.
|
|
|
Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Jan 3, 2008 1:59:15 GMT
your lucky you missed the 80's then talk about ridiculous. when i look back on the pics of my youth...well lets not go there... yeah the swiis were really dominating europe with their "igel" and "gevierte ordnung" formations. A combination of pike, halberd and arquebus would have made a formidable force.
|
|
|
Post by rammstein on Jan 3, 2008 2:07:11 GMT
Gotta give them some credit. They did rape and pillage rome, you know.
Many countries had their own versions of the pikemen. The spanish Tercios for example.
|
|