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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2007 21:55:53 GMT
But that defeats the entire purpose of it being a historical example of a single-edged viking sword. No viking sword I have ever heard of had a curved blade.
If one wants a curved blade on a viking sword, then one doesn't go to Albion.
Frankly, I was once convinced that this type of blade grew out of the langseax, just getting longer and longer. But that's apparently not the case. It's just a different type of Viking sword, and not an entirely common one at that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2007 21:58:27 GMT
It's probably just me but I think a single edge viking sword is a waste of a few feet of steel. A agree. It cuts down a lot of your options. I do not think that any additional blade strength is worth the sacrifice. Double edged swords have been proven to be strong enough. The only people who might benefit from such swords is peasants that are untrained in using the back edge and can be expected to go out and try to hack a shield up with a sword instead of fight around it (as Darkintruder said). I like the quote Jak posted too, lol. I Second (or third) this opinion.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 20, 2007 22:05:06 GMT
personally i dont like the aesthetics of a katana...but i really respect the devastating cutting power of one...perhaps if they added a little curvature to this model to put it a little more on par with a katana i might buy one Curvature has been proven to add no noticable effects to cutting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2007 22:08:24 GMT
personally i dont like the aesthetics of a katana...but i really respect the devastating cutting power of one...perhaps if they added a little curvature to this model to put it a little more on par with a katana i might buy one Curvature has been proven to add no noticable effects to cutting. When did they prove this? Im not dissagreeing Ive always held this opinion, however if you have a link that would be great. Its ridiculous how katanas are held in almost a god-like reverence...
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Post by rammstein on Dec 20, 2007 22:09:40 GMT
let me try to find some stuff on arma or myarmoury.
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Post by YlliwCir on Dec 20, 2007 22:19:36 GMT
I was under the impression that the curve of the blade added draw to the cut.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 20, 2007 22:23:35 GMT
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Dec 20, 2007 22:37:21 GMT
But that defeats the entire purpose of it being a historical example of a single-edged viking sword. No viking sword I have ever heard of had a curved blade.quote] who said i was looking for historical accuracy? ![;)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) but you're right ive never heard if one either. as for curvature not adding to cutting power there is a review somewhere on this site where a guy took several different western (albions, atrims...) swords and a katana against 10 to 30 layer fabric armor...the katana cut through it better than any other.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Dec 20, 2007 22:44:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2007 22:49:43 GMT
Michael Edelson also states that a Falchion or other similar cutting oriented blade would probably achieve a similar result.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 20, 2007 22:53:58 GMT
It's negligable. Both swords are capable of cleaving off a limb with the same effort. Anything past that is superfluous.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Dec 20, 2007 22:59:52 GMT
thats true...dont misread me....i dont hold with the beliefs that katanas are the ultimate weapon...i know they cant cut rocks and cleave through car doors or even other swords. im just stating that a curved blade(falchions,sabres,katanas) will slice through certain materials better than a straight blade. my passion and limited collection of 7 swords are all straight bladed swords of western design. this is just my preference but i wont ignore proven fact. sorry if this post sounds like a retort but i just like to explain my view as best i can.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2007 23:00:16 GMT
I again present the longsword cutting a fresh deer in half.
Mmmm....deer......
Edit: This one should work.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Dec 20, 2007 23:02:43 GMT
Wow. even if that deer wasnt cleaned it would have gone through.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Dec 20, 2007 23:10:30 GMT
the messer didnt even get through but i thnk that was just poor technique. they should put some armor on the next one just to see what would happen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2007 23:14:26 GMT
That guy also put his entire weight into the strike. Not exactly a good technique either.
As for the armour, it would depend on what it was. If it was plate, then nothing would have happened. It would have just dented it and bounced off. It it was maile, then it would have probably broken a link or three, but wouldn't have done a whole lot to the deer.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Dec 20, 2007 23:25:50 GMT
for sure...id like to see what you'd get in the way of blunt trauma...broken ribs ad such...obviously youd get more of that with maille as opposed to plate but it would be interesting to see.
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Post by Jeff K. ( Jak) on Dec 20, 2007 23:29:06 GMT
lol what was the look on his face...looked like he was gonna start bucking any second
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Post by rammstein on Dec 20, 2007 23:40:09 GMT
That guy also put his entire weight into the strike. Not exactly a good technique either. As for the armour, it would depend on what it was. If it was plate, then nothing would have happened. It would have just dented it and bounced off. It it was maile, then it would have probably broken a link or three, but wouldn't have done a whole lot to the deer. It would have damaged the internals of the deer, but probably not the maille. DI is right. From the looks of things, the messer DID go clean through, the strike just was not extended enough to cut the back portion. What it hit, it cut, be the sword never touched the back of the deer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2007 1:59:20 GMT
If you look around 1:25... doesn't it seem like the deer has a "pre-cut" in it? ![???](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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