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Post by chrisperoni on Nov 25, 2012 1:50:08 GMT
looks kinda like a square peg in a round hole - but only on 2 sides... hmmm
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Post by Nox on Nov 25, 2012 2:28:23 GMT
I might have to take you up on that offer. I think mainly the sinosword Jian needs work. I want to just overhaul the whole thing. Alot of the swords problems other than the bad grip are the fittings, especially the pommel. Do you happen to know anyone that can make really simple fittings? You don't have to apologize, it has been a really fun sword to use so far and has held up nice regardless. no sword is perfect (especially when it comes to Jian) so no worries  |
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Post by chrisperoni on Nov 25, 2012 2:31:58 GMT
Ricky does show the HS jian standing up well to serious use. and you can bet he'll work on it - that's a huge part of what HS does- always testing and improving their product. Cool.
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 25, 2012 2:52:54 GMT
After seeing HT sword video, I am more surprised that it held up so well. How is the HRC level on the sword of HT? Is there a test to mark the HRC level on the sword? What kind of HRC level can be that durable?
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Post by chrisperoni on Nov 25, 2012 4:01:39 GMT
whoo-eee - I like the sounds of the this sword and the plans to improve. Wow Ricky, the market really does want you to push for "prettier" fittings eh   See MakChingYuen- HS swords had to modify their initial designs for all of their swords which were 100% focused on performance, and factor in the need from buyers to give more attention to looks. HS used to cost less simply because they knew where they could save the buyers money without sacrificing performance.. and now they really take time to explain and show where added costs come from- stuff like custom maki, full wraps, fine metals for fittings. Sometimes I think Ricky wants to put out stuff like his old windgliders lol , but has to do what more people want to buy--- I guess that's just the cost of business. Sorry Ricky if I speak out of turn- I hope I got it right friend |
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 25, 2012 4:26:05 GMT
Wow, HRC 59 that tough on the blade? Cool. I heard of the T-10 before, people were using it for butterfly knives. I think I saw it form MasterWong's channel on youtube, that guy with wingchun.. his website sell some butterfly knives made with T-10 blades and tested the hardness by smacking them on metal and it doesn't damage the blade at all. Guess T-10 is really a tough material.
I look forward for your new design, please update some nice photos to your website when the new products are out. I guess you can produce a less costy version for "just performance" based and less fancy. Just like the cutting jian style kinda thing which cost less to make but still show your blade's performance. Then another version can be fancy beefed up cosmetic style with nice fittings and stuff which cost more for collectors to keep?
Nice sword by the way., the video does make me wanna save up budget.. hahaha.. damn, got brainwashed that easily..
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Post by chrisperoni on Nov 25, 2012 4:42:08 GMT
that sounds like a good plan- straight performance and a stepped up fittings version- yeah!
Also, the coldsteel jian reviews you've been doing have me taking a look at CS for sure- I never really considered them for swords since they tend to overbuild... but like you pointed out if most production jian are wushu floppyness stuff, then overbuilding that is actually making it right.
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Post by MakChingYuen on Nov 25, 2012 8:24:18 GMT
You are right, most production jian are actually very sloppy and filmsy to fit most people's taste. Let me find you a fun video I just watched yesterday.. maybe I'll post a new thread about it. A taiwanese swordsmith was showing off his stuff and telling people how to choose a sword (jian) and he said "point of balance must be 1-2 inch from guard, anything over 2 inch is not good because it will "injure your wrist" and he demonstrate he powerful his sword is by bending it to over 60 degree and he said if you are powerful enough you can bend this to have the sword tip meet the pommel and spring back into regular position, THIS is a good sword.
After watching it, my conclusion is - Taiwanese sword art is doomed with this guy BS-ing on the TV show.
See the point? People don't even have proper training in sword and start talking about what a good sword is. My fiance love to say this "those who use sword for fighting are all supposed to be trained, which means they NEED to have muscles!" yeah that's right man, if you are not trained to fight, of course you injure yourself with a heavy sword! Why don't you pickup a pocket knife instead of a sword? hahaha...
CS is really good for the overbuild part, that's why I bought all 3 jians from them! I think if they make a braodsword or willowleaf, I will buy it too, haha!
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Post by Daishikaze on Nov 25, 2012 9:55:51 GMT
So you're saying thats not good enough either? Damn that makes me extremely nervous. I've paid alittle over 500$ for this sword, If they don't do the shoulders right, and the grip isn't good enough I feel like that money is wasted. I hope Mr. Kane can do something to allay my fears.
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Post by Nox on Nov 25, 2012 13:02:41 GMT
One of my favorite things on this sword was the dark sandal wood scabbard. Most Jian have the typical plain rosewood. Other than that I think the fittings are pretty nice for being brass. When I first posted pics of this sword it was 50/50 on opinions about the fittings. Some said they were nice and ornate while others said they were too ornate and gaudy. Any chance on having maybe steel fittings for the next design? I was thinking maybe a dark hardwood scabbard, steel fittings and maybe white rayskin for the handle might look nice. |
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Post by Daishikaze on Nov 25, 2012 16:36:07 GMT
I'm glad you are going to fix the problems illustrated here, Dadaochen. However I'm kinda sad that it will be a long time before we see another Hung Shing Jian. I was thinking of getting one from you guys in then next year or so. Oh well I guess I'll just have to wait
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Post by chrisperoni on Nov 25, 2012 17:43:25 GMT
Actually, when I look closer it does seem like it is fitted around the tang with just a little of the top edge of the wood being sloped into the tang. In the attached pic I see the side is angled just for a few mm then meets the tang. I think the best move with any custom work is to include pictures whenever possible as this helps a lot to explain your intenetion. especially if there is a possibility of a language barrier. Also I would cite katana nakago in your example as it seems an easy comparison where the sowrd makers already know to fit the handle to the tang. I've always wondered why they get katana right but jian wrong - lol Maybe give him this pic and ask about the circled spot in the first example- confirm if it is as I stated above. Then cite the next few pics and verify they will form the wood core right around the tang in a matched fit.  Attachments:
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Post by Daishikaze on Nov 25, 2012 20:45:56 GMT
When I was talking to Mr. Kane about the grip he said this was the best they could do, that they couldn't make it more form fitting than that, but that I shouldn't worry, he would make sure they made it very strong. I was satisfied with that, I thought it looked like it would be quite snug.
I'll ask him about it when he replies to my question about the tang shoulders.
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Post by Gundoggy on Nov 26, 2012 16:58:23 GMT
There is always the modern expedient method of using Epoxy to fill the gaps. It works and is cheap and simple. Properly fitted hilts can be more than the cost of the many 'affordable' swords out there.
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Post by Nox on Feb 6, 2013 15:59:06 GMT
A friend of mine recently picked up a custom Jian from a forge in china, and I don't really want to get into which one or anything. we took the whole thing apart. After a few mins of forcing out a really stubborn peg I pulled out the tang and saw this...   seriously? |
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Post by Daishikaze on Feb 6, 2013 20:01:33 GMT
Wow thats bad. I hope he didn't pay too much for that
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Post by Rafael on Feb 8, 2013 15:58:51 GMT
I wish you would tell us the manufacturer for that crazy pegging job. Now I feel afraid about all Chinese production swords lol
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Post by Daishikaze on Feb 8, 2013 19:55:54 GMT
Simple solution to your worries: Buy Huanuo products exclusively OR buy blades only and hire someone who can make fittings, grips, and scabbards for you.
I know both choices are way too expensive.
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Post by Rafael on Feb 8, 2013 21:40:37 GMT
i just wish there even was a way for huanuo to handle custom orders. currently there is basically no way to contact them via interweb. the site that is online is not actually run by Huanuo and has been known to rip people off. Scott Rodell on the other hand at least has some huanuo stuff available and has excellent customer service, but i really like hamon on chinese sword, its some sort of mental defect i have i guess lol. None of the huanuo production stuff seems to have DH. there is some nice sanmai stuff in the high end and all of their foldsteel stuff is pretty. Huanuo is so flaky that even Mr Rodell says he cant really order anything special, he takes what he can get from them. Sometimes they take an extra 6 months to deliver, thats just how they roll. I love the wood handles with the linear ridges iike on the CS Gim. I need to learn how to make those. /drool
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. A thousand apologies for your disappointment on the tang of the sword. This will most definetly change on our next production VT Jian
