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Post by Taran on Sept 24, 2012 0:55:15 GMT
Beat me to it. And Mithril from head to toe. And whatever flower it was from Stardust that protects against hostile magic. Finished off with a 150# longbow and quiver of arrows.
...Wait. Star Wars is technically fantasy, too. I'll be a jedi and swap my vorpal sword for a lightsaber. All other gear remains the same. I'll recharge my powercell with lightning from my fingers.
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Post by Aaron on Sept 24, 2012 0:59:46 GMT
*cough*sci-fi*cough*
:lol:
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Post by Anders on Sept 24, 2012 1:29:50 GMT
That's a bit generous, I think.
Kinda like saying the Conan books are technically historical fiction.
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Post by demonskull on Sept 24, 2012 1:47:44 GMT
Many fantasy novels and series have firearms in the mix.
I'd take a moderate hand and 1/2, a tomahawk, heavy bladed fighting knife, recurved hunting bow and arrows, short stabbing sword, a semi-auto carbine and a 12 ga slug gun.
Flintlocks might be better as you can make your own ammo and powder with a little effort and a few tools.
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Post by dishan.25 on Sept 24, 2012 1:51:35 GMT
You're right. Star Wars falls in between, it's sci-fi/fantasy. Fantasy being purely made up (not really believable), while sci-fi is about space travel, technology and aliens which borders on the believable (like Star Trek).Thus, Star Wars can be seen as both. If Star Wars didn't have The Force as a dominant part of its stories and movies it would be pure sci-fi.
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Post by KentsOkay on Sept 24, 2012 5:46:32 GMT
Sci-Fi dude, that's sci-f... Ohh right, angels 'n stuff...
ALRIGHT NEW RULE, by fantasy world, I mean something out of Conan/the Hyborian age.
I love Harry Potter for the stories, but the way magic works in HP always bugged me, it's too damned powerful it seems. I like how magic operates in Earthsea and *shameful* Eragon, that stuff makes sense.
No lightsabers, nothing electronic, and no fancy/good gunpowder weapons.
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Post by KentsOkay on Sept 24, 2012 5:48:47 GMT
NEW QUESTION:
What is your epic quest, how did you receive it, and who would your fellow questers be?
And for Pete's sake, be more creative than Olivia WIlde, Emma Stone, Amber Heard and Rosario Dawson.
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Post by Taran on Sept 24, 2012 19:27:35 GMT
Well, then, back to the Vorpal sword.
Well, that there is a conundrum for me. I have quite a few... A survivor from a fallen empire flees the conquerors with his wife and (maybe) kids, looking for the land of his ancestors. A man who has survived far too long and has been alone and lonely since he and his wife both fell in the same battle only for him to wake in another time and place. Is now trying to find a way to die but can't figure it out, keeps failing because of stupid stuff (e.g.: he has ripped his guts out and thrown them around, but is still alive and eventually gives in to hunger, so he stuffs it all back in and goes and eats). The world has collapsed and he is trying to re-establish some modicum of civilization. A great beast has come among the people to destroy and ravage and devour all things. It's not evil, it is no more than an unthinking, unstoppable, insatiable hunger. The creators of this beast are hidden away in their fortress, their power irretrievably gone to create the beast, so they hide away with the only thing that can harm the beast, the only thing that penetrates its mind beyond the HUNGER and keeps it at bay. Got to save the world.
Nothing really new or original, I'm afraid. If you know your literature and your mythology, all of those appear often. I tend to go for the little more mundane, little darker, little more human than most, though.
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Post by WMicke on Sept 24, 2012 19:47:53 GMT
You guys aren't thinking big enough!
Clearly there is only one be-all, do-everything, ultimate weapon to take into this new fantasy world... The one blade that will allow you to conquer an empire, save the beautiful princess (or prince, depending on your gender, etc), and play a winning game of pinochle... Yes friends, I think it's time that we all admit that the best weapon to have would be...
The Trapped Oni Soul Katana!!!
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Post by Striderfly on Sept 24, 2012 21:37:22 GMT
So, in this world, as I'm walking through the Faery Glenn with my ancient magic sword on my back, a dragon ball Z ninja with a 10 foot long by 3 foot wide techno-blade might appear before me and throw a plastic ball and his crazy looking, electricity shooting rabbit pops out.
Maybe I'm defended by another 10 year old that throws magic cards or a spinning top.
I hate this place.
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Post by 14thforsaken on Sept 24, 2012 21:53:33 GMT
I'm bringing a few basic chemistry, physics, material sciences books, an encyclopedia and the anarchist cookbook and a few other things of that ilk. Knowledge is power.
Oh! how impressive, you have a flaming sword, here let me just break this flask of Greek fire on you. Toasty!
Or, gee I bet you wish you were wearing glass armor now that I threw a glass flask of hydrochloric acid on you.
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Post by Svadilfari on Sept 26, 2012 4:58:20 GMT
Mmmmm..?any? weapon ??..can I bring my large, pet fire-breathing dragon ? Weapon and transportation at the same time ?? :lol:
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Post by StevenJ on Sept 26, 2012 5:40:05 GMT
Wait wait who said we couldn't cast fire balls and do magic in real life? I thought that's what Kabbalism was for you know, lol. All that tree of knowledge stuff. Hehe, I got my ren faire outfit and Del Tin Great sword I'm set!
I don't find either one very believable to be honest. I always thought Babylon 5 was the most believable scifi series with the most believable film being 2001 and it's successor 2010.
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Post by KentsOkay on Sept 26, 2012 15:29:11 GMT
Psht. Stargate all the way for believable sci fi.
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Post by Anders on Sept 26, 2012 17:03:50 GMT
I have to disagree with this. The Force is really just psychic powers that happen to have a religion built around them, psychics being a staple of science fiction. Really? I've found it a more common opinion that HP magic is underpowered, or at least very specilized most of the time. So you are basically going to be an alchemist? I suspect the biggest problem will be getting a hold of equipment and ingredients. Say you want do make hydrochloric acid. Even if you have a decent amount of local money - which is a pretty big if - you can't exactly go the local marketplace and pick up some hydrogen chloride. You'd have to make it yourself by electrolyzing salt and water, which requires an electrical current, meaning you have to design some kind of generator or battery. Alternatively, you can use salt and sulfuric acid, but then you have to make sulfuric acid first, which is a hassle in and of itself. And even if you pull all that off, what you get is a colorless acidic gas that you have to somehow collect and dissolve in water in order to get the actual acid. You're going to have to do all of this in a lab you built yourself, with equipment you constructed yourself, under presumably medieval conditions. Basically, you're going to have to be MacGyver.And then you find out that the local magicians can do basically the same thing by snapping their fingers.
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Post by KentsOkay on Sept 26, 2012 18:18:25 GMT
There never has seemed to be any explanation on how they work. How is a charm different, or exactly like a curse? Why does it matter how I pronounce wingardium leviosa? Do I just point my wand at some jack-ass who pissed me off and mutter "Avada kedavra", or do I have to bellow it, or perhaps cast it without even saying the words. Bombardo, reducto, sectumsempri, expelliarmus, stupefy; they all seem to work provided I'm pointing my wand at them. Why don't I just have a magic gun then? No more stunning spells bouncing about and not going where I want. Can I just endlessly shout out psuedo-latin phrases until I'm dry mouthed, or does the magic tax me in some other way.
At least in Eragon it takes as much energy to do something with magic as it does physically, and there is a very real risk of killing yourself due to energy depletion. Other than riding about on dragons, the magic system was the only other thing the Eragon books had going for them. That said, hurry the f*** up and publish the last one, Paolini!
That said, Harry Potter is undoubtedly superior to Eragon.
Also:
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Sept 26, 2012 19:00:59 GMT
Inheritance (Book 4 of the Inheritance Cycle) was published November 8, 2011 and was a major disappointment; I know because I have the thing on my bookshelf.
As for the magic in HP, it seems to be directly related to willpower as evidenced by the Fake Moody's comments regarding Avada Kedavra (paraphrased): "I bet you could all get out your wands right now and cast that spell at me, but I doubt I'd get so much as a bloody nose." Also, Bellatrix Lestrange (again, paraphrased): "That's the thing about Unforgivable Curses! You've got to mean them!" I always felt that it was heavily implied that magical duels are a contest of wills between the participating magicians, otherwise duels would come down to quick draw competitions like in the Old West, so the best duelist wouldn't be the most skilled, but the best Legillimens or the quickest wand. This would explain why Harry's shield charms fail pretty regularly in the beginning; he doesn't have the confidence to cast them forcefully enough. Similarly, the Patronus spell, as shown in book 3: after a lifetime of abuse and virtual torture, Harry has few happy memories and those he doesn't have aren't powerful enough to form a corporeal Patronus. Conversely, that'd be why people like Dumbledore, Snape, and Voldemort were always so powerful; they had titanic forces of will.
As to the pronunciation of Wingardium Leviosa (but more importantly, the wand motion), I believe the exact explanation was looked at in the first book, but I can't remember exactly. But, when you think of it, it's really no different than Paolini's language based system of magic. Case in point: before he knew jack-semprini about the Ancient Language's grammar, he used "Skolir fra ratha", meaning "a shield from harm", creating Elva. This was addressed in Eldest and subsequently forced him to learn everything he could about the language to prevent such a thing from happening again.
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Post by KentsOkay on Sept 26, 2012 22:04:50 GMT
Is it worth reading (Eragon book 4)? Or should I just Wikipedia it :lol:
I completely forgot about Barty Crouch's Avada Kedavra lecture, it's been a while since I've read book 4, or any of them for that matter.
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Post by Taran on Sept 26, 2012 23:01:54 GMT
Eragon's magic was a direct ripoff of the magic of Valdemar. And the trilogy was less than half as well written. There we go, I'll be a mercenary mage-warrior, Adept-class in the Valdemar manner, armed and armoured as described above. None of this "Massively powerful spells but they dioe if you cough at them."
Or a sorceror in the style of the Belgariad. The Will and the Word.
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Post by KentsOkay on Sept 26, 2012 23:15:30 GMT
I feel they must both surely be rip-offs of Earthsea.
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