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Post by ghost on Mar 28, 2012 23:31:51 GMT
no, but I'd switch to different katanas immediately. You did Skyjiro a great disservice by reviewing them. "Skyjiro Forge" on google now links this thread as the 3rd result. "Skyjiro Forge Review" on google links this as 1st. You were dodgy for trying to appear like you had no relation, other than as a consumer, to Skyjiro on this forum. 1.Your ebay account claims forge contacts (with exactly who?) 2.You had MANY dealings with Skyjiro PRIVATELY. NO SELF PROCLAIMED NOVICE BUYS THAT MANY SWORDS FROM THE SAME FORGE. PERIOD. 3. You are "reselling" them to make ends meet. This you have admitted voiding the claim that you have no vested interest. If you can sell the rest of these, I wish you the best of luck. Skyjiro was and is an unknown vendor, until they suddenly appeared on this board doing a promotional "review" of their own swords... Why do you say "Ryansword" is of crappy quality? You would have been better off selling their swords since they keep them at an honest price point. Why does no one believe you? Every single word sounds like complete BS...You are not sincere about what you wrote in the review. The rest of the posts have a lot of whining, which makes you sound like you completely lack any integrity. This is your own words from the very bottom of your review: You were already Capt. Obvious from the first post, but this is the clincher: Here's more so that you do go away with at least learning something (I hope): years ago? best sword? makes hanwei practicals look like letter openers?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2012 23:59:31 GMT
YOU MUST HAVE MIS UNDERSTOOD WHEN I SAID THE OPINION OF KEYBAORD WARRIOR'S WORRIES ME VERY LITTLE,I NO IM HONEST,YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO LIFE IF YOU HAVE TIME TO SEARCH AND INVESTIGATE PEOPLE OR EBAY ACCOUNTS TO TRY AND PROVE A POINT THAT YOU CAN'T SO YOU JUST JUDGE AND CARRY ON LIKE LITTLE SCHOOL KIDS, I FIND THAT FUNNY AND I WOULD BET MY BALLS I HAVE MORE $$$$ WORTH OF GOOD QUALITY SWORDS THEN MOST OF YOU GUY'S,YOU HAVE NO IDEA AND YOU ALL JUST ASSUME AND MOST OF YOU FOLLOW THE LEAD OF OTHER USER'S LIKE SHEEP, CONSIDERING YOU USE VERY IMPRESSIVE BIG WORDS I THOUGHT MOST OF YOU WOULD BE SMARTER AND JUST THINK FOR YOURSELF BUT YEAH THE FRIENDLY FORUM HEY MORE LIKE FOLLOW THE LEADER FORUM EVERYBODY DOES THE SAME, WHEN SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING DIFFERENT LOOK OUT GIVE THEM THE BEASH REAL QUICK COZ ITS NOT HANWEI
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Post by ghost on Mar 29, 2012 0:09:31 GMT
You HONEST? (that's how you use caps)
You state on the third page that people can't buy swords from you, and that you have nothing to gain. Of course, every post after that reaffirms (including this one) that you sell swords...
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Post by Chinook Kaze on Mar 29, 2012 0:38:58 GMT
I'm just tickled that, as mentioned, this is now what anyone who Google's Skyjiro will now find. Poetic justice. So much for their "alternative" marketing campaign.
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Post by chuckinohio on Mar 29, 2012 0:40:13 GMT
Well well, lets see.
Someone made statements that they wanted to be accepted as fact. Someone debunked those statements as being self serving, and backed up their BS call with proof of the self serving interests.
Where is the confusion arising from?
You position is untenable Ozzy, my advice would be to regroup and rethink.
Be well,and play nice.
^^^ impressive big word
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 3:34:46 GMT
I find it very funny how much guys dig into things im very impressed with your research tactic's and the fact you waste so much time to try and be right with your pic's and links and comments when your still so very wrong but good to see your wasting so much time on me thank you and i do appreaciate it,you cant buy Skyjiro swords from me,i only had 3 so i dont understand the idea that im selling these flat out? if your smart you can clearly see in my feedback many types of swords even a Hanwei so you see i do not support any brands of swords,you guys can think what you like, im not young im 30 i have been collecting swords since 18, i had over 40+ katana's of all sorts of brands,mostly cheap one's in cupboards on display and everywhere around the house,that is how i come to sell so many swords of many types in such short time,i own them all already,not dealing in them,all the money is mine,and if i was a dealer im a pretty poor dealer i have 1 sword for sale, but as i said you detective's can think what you like, Keyboard warrior's are always big on the other end of a computer quick to judge and trash talk people down, i am sure if you had my test sword and gave it a bash you would be suprized,that was my main point of this nothing more,just to say these do work and are not too bad at all,i dont say for everyone to go buy skyjiro's at all or any brand of sword,i say go buy Type 95's if anything you no they hold and only increase in value! and i have included a picture taken 2 days ago so you can see how asian i am
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Post by ineffableone on Mar 29, 2012 4:47:12 GMT
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Mar 29, 2012 6:29:14 GMT
Well I was going to stay out from this but couldn't help it... Although maybe I should have, since threads that start going like this one are the ones that make me tend to avoid "anonymous" forums...
I think good manners are important, and therefore I don't want to make rush assumptions.
When I think about it, I don't understand why one would register here by the same name as his/hers eBay account if he was trying to fool someone? Since you can take any name you want, why take the first one that people will run check on... this is the Internet there will always be someone doing a background check, just like Ozzy stated earlier.
Now I'm not native english speaker, however I've been listening/reading many different english dialects, jamaican, scottish, geordie etc. I've watched many australian tv-shows and understood them better than some US shows. The funny thing is how bad grammar some native speakers write on the Internet (no hard feelings). I've read finnish Internet forums and it's just crazy how bad the writing there can be. And it's the same thing in english (or any other language) forums too. Therefore I don't think it's that easy to draw conclusions about how one writes. We non-native speakers (usually) have to use more time to write whereas you natives just type it away, even with errors. Sometimes it's a good thing as you have time to think out your post properly at the same time.
Now Ozzy, it's nice to hear that you've been collecting swords for over 10 years. And I see you've had a good share of katana during that time. NCO swords are pretty nice to own, although they are not my piece of cake. However I wouldn't turn one down if the price would be right. Not knowing much about where that eBay profile came into play, and as I don't have much knowledge with eBay can't say anything. But I guess most of us here buy and sell swords, so I don't know how valid argument that is. Just stating that he has contacts with 2 forges don't mean anything to me, many of us have contacts to many places... Would be nice to hear more about some swords you have/ have owned in the past. As you said you've had some type 95's and Hanwei products. I guess reviewing a Skyjiro sword appeared to be a lot bolder move than I would have thought, I just thought it would be a review like any other ones out there...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 7:49:10 GMT
Thanks Jussi, that is the first intellegent post/reply i have seen so far, yes we ozzie's have a funny way of speaking english,its like our own lazy version of english, and my typing is not much better either, yes it was a bold move on the skyjiro for a review but im sure there are 100 hanwei review's out there and other brands,i honestly was just did this for SBG forum not for any personal gain's i actually lost out coz i cant sell that sword,and i didnt really need cash a month ago when i took photo's,but no matter, and yes i have nothing to hide as i could have used any name and i no the guys would look up any name i did use,as i read from this forum for a while before i joined so yes i went with my ebay name as i have nothing to hide there either, but almost everybody on here thinks striaght away im a scammer coz i owned a few skyjiro's
The one and only reason for my review was not to flog Skyjiro's product's,but just to say i had a couple and had some good results with the old gum tree using there base line blade 1050,yes the fence was stupid but i had seen that on another review age's ago on a Cheness sword so i thought i would try it also,i do admit tho it was quite fun slicing through a fence numerous times and as i said the fence was about to get ripped down and thrown out anyways, cheer's mate
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 8:52:30 GMT
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Post by wolf_shade on Mar 29, 2012 13:16:35 GMT
I'll weigh in here real quick.
Ozzy, friendly does not necessarily mean nice to everyone. Friendly to the majority can sometimes require brutal honestly towards certain individuals. Those posting in a manner you find unfriendly are doing so in attempts to protect others who use this forum as a resource to determine viability of purchases. You commented something along the lines of "will people spend good money for fake Japanese products?" and the simple answer is yes, yes they will. In fact even experienced collectors will sometimes suffer from international scams (this is not saying that you are running a scam, it's saying that even the experienced can spend good money on bad deals). SBG, SMG, and this forum are setup to attempt to help people with knowledge of swords, from purchase to care to re-sale. By exposing what they feel are dodgy tactics and dishonesty the members opposed to you are attempting to help others who come later.
Not hatred. Dislike perhaps, but primarily a lack of trust.
Now, as to the prosecution: The thread is degenerating into a standard juvenile "I know you are but what am I" rhetoric that can be found on any forum on any topic. The difference is only the topic of "debate". The level of effort that has gone into attempting to provide context to the review that was the original post is admirable. The method in which it has been presented, or at least defended, leaves something to be desired. The thread has gone on for 6 pages. I suspect that anything relevant that needs to be said has been said and all that's left is the name calling. Consider this, it has been said that when searching for Skyjiro Review, this is the first thing Google identifies. This seems a bad thing for Skyjiro, but what impression of the forum will new potential users have if the first thing they encounter is the community ripping into what seems like a first time user's review? If I were to look at the first page, then jump to the end to see what all the hype was about, I'd see a guy trying to defend himself while he was ganged up on for simply posting a review of his sword and being a "young euntrepeneur" (probably spelled that wrong).
Let it go. At best, you've stopped feeding the troll. At worst, you've stopped berating a guy that really was just trying to do an honest review.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 13:29:55 GMT
Time for a 'mercy killing' of this thread to put this discussion out of its misery I reckon...
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Post by lamebmx on Mar 29, 2012 13:47:30 GMT
Well there you go! Much better post, answers some questions in a way sounds plausible. The fence thing is one of those clue's I kind of honed in on. There are some more. I am in no-way being mean or judgemental, fact of the matter is you are an e-bay salesman, just like every other joe schmoe with a few grand of stuff in the garage to sell on ebay and make a little bit of extra money. I think there is still some fish in the story, especially considering you stated you bought one on a chance and very quickly had 3 to sell. You are in the general location of where skyjiro calls home. But dont get your panties in a knot young man. I really do not care. How those things came together really does not matter. As another poster pointed out, its a trust thing. Trust in you if you are affiliated with Skyjiro (Again, I dont really care), or trust in you when you happened to pick the wrong sword as your first review and (one of) your first posts, which seems to align itself with Skyjiro's methods of past. Dont blame us, blame Skyjiro. I made an offer in a previous post which still stands, the proof is in the pudding. There is no way I will put my hardly earned dollars down to find out (okay, I might if I hit a small lottery or something just to put a more proper review out there).
Lastly, thanks for the detective compliment! I currently have to be in front of my work computer for 9 hours a day, and work is slow so my job (at this current slow time) conisists of telling the random caller they need to call the first level helpdesk, and assist the user with the helpdesks phone number. You compliment re-inforces that I am actually doing something productive throughout the day!
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Post by chuckinohio on Mar 29, 2012 13:53:44 GMT
Hey Ozzy.
Look around the board a bit, read some, comment in threads, get a feel for the members here, and the knowledge that actually is available on this board before you get too frazzled with how this thread degenerated.
If you had a feel for what WE( the general SBG membership ) already know and have seen from Skyjiro in the past, you would understand why you were treated like a shill.
Long and short-
Skyjiros products are perceived here as overpriced misrepresented chinatanas.
Until they engage in truthful practices,and or drop their prices dramatically, NOTHING that you can say or do will change that perception. Your resorting to the common troll tactic of replying to challenges with "All my stuff is better than yours", "I have more stuff than you ever thought of having", and " You guys are little kids,keyboard commandos, ganging up on me, yadda yadda yadda" did not help your case much either. A sensible comparison to a blade from a respected entity in the same price range would have sufficed.
^^^ small impressive word
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Post by ghost on Mar 29, 2012 16:29:56 GMT
Ozzy, your opinion of us was very apparent from your first lines of the review. I don't know if you intentionally meant to offend a lot of us, but you start off by calling the honest critiques of board members as "spam" and proceed to state there is a lot of "trash talking on this sword forum." This is all stated within your first sentence/group of words that you address to us and within your first review post.
You then contradict yourself so many times that it has become really hard for us to account for your inconsistencies.
You bought a sword hoping it would fail when you used it??? You claim to be an ordinary Joe who has a average income and you did what?
Years of sword collecting (you say 10+) yet you do tests that show absolutely nothing, and you totally neglected by happen-chance to take pictures of the important details such as the ito wrap, fuchi/kashira, wood core, rayskin, tsuba?
The irony of this statement completely went over your head Ozzy.
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Post by Sébastien on Mar 29, 2012 16:59:52 GMT
Am I the only one thinking about locking this thread ? I read the last 2 1/2 pages and it's only people trading rhetorical punches.
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Post by ineffableone on Mar 29, 2012 17:54:15 GMT
Well there are SBGers pointing out important inconsistencies and Ozzy ignoring them and saying poor me why you mean and gang up on me.
People pointed out his ebay has 2 forge contacts, yet he never responded to this.
People pointed out he started this tread hostile and insulting to SBGers, yet he wants to act surprised at the reaction he got.
I pointed out he made 8 purchases from Skyjiro this year. Yet he wants us to believe he just bought a couple recently and bought them to make a test he hoped they would fail in.
Sebastien, like most people who get caught online scamming or lying, instead of responding to the facts and details that make people not trust the OP we only get long emotion posts of how mean we are for picking on him. Yet he never addressees the issues people are concerned with.
So sure lock it up, this thread has become a train wreck sad to see but you can't look away.
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Post by Sébastien on Mar 29, 2012 18:05:40 GMT
Thanks for that summary ineffableone. This thread is getting locked.
Ozzy_Samurai : I read through your posts. I understand that you may not like some of the things that were said about your review. However, in my time on SBG, it is one of the only time I saw a review bring that kind of reaction from people. IMHO, that says alot ... Feel free sticking around, but please be polite toward others and don't take us for fools.
Thread locked.
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