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Post by SGT_crum on Feb 27, 2012 3:48:06 GMT
So final decisions on katana:
1: starter blade shall be the ronin o-suzumebachi katana 2: for my custom 330 katana, im going with the kissaki moroha zukuri styled kogarasu blade, now id like some suggestion with a few things, first of i want either the papa 4, bravo 42, or bravo 79 tsuba, charlie 5, charlie 9, charlie 10, charlie 16 or charlie 25 fuchi and kashira, id like black samehada and id like a super cool color scheme between the saya and the ito, so who's good with choosing awesome color combo's and wants to give me a hand deciding on the final design of this blade
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Feb 27, 2012 8:02:36 GMT
Well, I'm fairly plain-Jane when it comes to colors, so "good with choosing awesome color combo's" doesn't apply here, but here are my views. I personally love a partial or full rattan wrap on saya. SBG offers only a partial, and with those I prefer the natural color rattan as opposed to the black painted ones. Since the rest of the saya is black, I'd get a black or black and gold sageo. With the ito, I'd opt for the green. If some of you are wondering why that sounds familiar, that's because it's my Ronin!Okay, I just told you how to model your sword after one of mine, but to explain, that's because it's one of my favorite combinations. I guess I should have warned you also, I'm not very original. What are you looking to do color-wise? What are your favorite colors?
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Post by SGT_crum on Feb 27, 2012 8:31:51 GMT
well i like black, blue, red, green, white, yellow is ok, and purple, im also looking for advice on the tsuba and fuchi/kashira options i listed above, mostly which tsuba would go best with which fuchi and kashira to make the most unique appearance
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Post by lamebmx on Feb 27, 2012 10:43:51 GMT
Just a heads up on the vocabulary (I am a noob myself so someone may correct me even);
same or samegawa: I believe same is literally sharkskin but is an accepted shortening for samegawa which is rayskin
hada: pattern created by forge folding. most blades these days do not need it, and it can weaken a blade if not done correctly. Appearance is more traditional as nihonto (japan blade) will have to have it due to metal making process.
Well I dont have time to peruse from your selections, I may do it at work today if I get bored lol. And these are just 2 cent ideas:
As for tsuba/fuchi/kashira selection. tsuba kinda makes the sword, its the easiest most quickly distinguishable feature, A fairly think solid one will keep the balance low. With these cheaper swords, designs tend to be milled, intricate ones tend to hurt the hand. So try and make sure it at least looks to be well rounded, or be prepared to get very well acquainted with a needle file set. Fuchi/kashira (F/K) plain or a simple design tend to look better for the long run.
I try to use colors from what I am looking at hardware wise. Breaking up the black sea of saya is nice when you can do it. Do it as often as you can cuz there is probably a good chance you will have many black saya adorning your wall. Dont forget, most of the time, you will see handle/wrap with hint of same, edge of tsuba, and saya. Black, black, black and black will look a bit boring real quick. But too much color will come to look gaudy real quick too. Dont forget you will also have that ronin up there, might not want that section of wall looking like abstract artwork, or maybe you think that will look cool. The point is to think of how both the swords will look on the wall, especially if they are to be displayed close to each other.
Enjoy another long winded answer that dont really answer anything precisely, but hopefully keeps you thinking and ideas to choose what you will ultimately be most satisfied with.
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Post by George on Feb 27, 2012 12:04:28 GMT
Personally (this is what i would get and why) this is MY opinion. Its what i would get if given your choices only. P4 Tsuba - Its Brass the others in your choice are Alloy = Not as strong. Also i prefer the squared shape. C10 Fushi and Kashira - Closer colour match and im assuming you like the dragon theme. Cherry blossoms don't go perfectly, if you wanted that maybe change the Tsuba to a non dragon theme. Wrap is a bit difficult. Thats REALLY a personal choice. As you want black Samegawa you wouldnt go wrong with either A1 (Blue), A2 (gold), A4 (red), B4 (purple), B5 (green) and B7 (brown). Of course you can swap cotton with Rayon colours just what ever you prefer. PERSONALLY i like B4 (purple), B5 (green) and B7 (brown) would probably be my pick. That may give you some idea. Feel free to copy this but it would be more personal and in the end i believe you would be more satisfied, if you picked your very own design
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Post by lamebmx on Feb 27, 2012 13:23:43 GMT
At work now,
Ill second what average joe said about the tsuba. Though a bit more for the weight of brass vs alloy, tradition, how it will look as the patina wears & resale. Strength really only matters if you plan on getting into swordfights on the battle field. Personally I would avoid C5 and C25 if you plan on using the sword. Multi-color stuff tends to look funny as it wears, solid colors get more detail brought out as they wear.
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Post by SGT_crum on Feb 27, 2012 17:02:38 GMT
Thanks alot for the help, i did have the tsuba and fuchi/kashira already picked by my personal pref just wanted some matching opinions, the origional color schemes i was looking at was white saya blue ito, black saya with red/green/or purple ito, yellow/gold saya and white ito
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Feb 27, 2012 17:45:43 GMT
I like the white saya w/ blue ito theme, but think that it goes best with white samegawa, and you had mentioned wanting black. My second pick from yours would be the black saya w/ red ito. I think this would go with the black samegawa well.
A word of caution on white ito. It is very difficult to keep white. Sweat and dirt will turn it grimy regardless of most, if not all, precautions taken against it.
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Post by SGT_crum on Feb 27, 2012 17:56:35 GMT
yeah black and red is one of my fave color combos, but i might go monster energy theme with black and green dont know yet, still debating, im also getting the blade folded, if i go with a black saya i may go S+3 since it has that nice brown wrap at the top or i may simply add the additional rayskin wrap to the saya instead for another 70, also im wondering if i should pay an extra 10 and have the ito battle wrapped
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Feb 27, 2012 18:05:14 GMT
Like I said, I like that rattan wrap a bunch. I have never liked the samegawa wrap on the saya, but many do. I'm also more of a fan of the hineri-maki(standard cross-over ito wrap) than the katate-maki(battle-wrap.) This is a personalized design for you, though. Be sure to plan it out carefully.
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Post by SGT_crum on Feb 27, 2012 18:14:37 GMT
the rattan wrap is cheaper by like 40 bucks so im probably gonna go with that, im curious as to which maki (thanks for the terminology) would provide the best grip for cutting
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Feb 27, 2012 19:33:57 GMT
Katate-maki was derived, I believe, from necessity. Many started out as hineri-maki and had the ito frayed or damaged in combat. It would simply be wrapped back around the handle and tied off as quickly as possible so the warrior could get back to the fray. I believe that it caught on later and was worn as such into battle quite a bit. I personally find hineri-maki to grip the best, but that is just a personal preference. Here is a page with several styles of maki. www.montanairon.com/tsukaimages.html
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Post by SGT_crum on Feb 27, 2012 19:42:44 GMT
hmmm well since im getting the suzumebachi first and it has a normal maki, ill try it and see what i think, if i like it i wont get the battle wrap
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Post by SGT_crum on Feb 28, 2012 8:10:05 GMT
Alright so final decisions on my first two katana:
stater blade: ronin dojo o-suzumebachi
SBG 330 custom: kogarasu 28" blade, no-hi, papa 4 tsuba, charlie 10 fuchi and kashira, either red ito or green it0 with black same and a black rattan wrapped sheath, also the additional folded option for the blade
now with that out of the way :lol: i can move on to the second part of the collection i want to start, medieval blades
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