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Post by gerbopyl on Dec 5, 2011 4:28:03 GMT
Looking to buy myself a Mainz gladius for christmas but not sure which one to go with. My original plan was the Actium by VA but those are impossible to find. So I come to you fine fellows, what in your opinion would be the 2nd best choice? Im not looking to spend albion type money, around $300 would be my limit. Going to be using it to cut bottles and other soft targets.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Dec 5, 2011 5:01:10 GMT
Sub 300$? Three options I can see: Windlass, which are functional enough, I believe, but not exactly the best. Gen 2, I know nothing of the Mainz, but I've heard the Pompeii is good, though neither are anywhere near historically accurate, if you care about that. Valiant Armory, the Praetorian, to be exact, though good luck finding it. Lastly, it's closer to 400$, so I'm just tossing it out there for comparison, but there's the Del Tin Mainz.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Dec 5, 2011 12:45:09 GMT
Hanwei does have a gladius that they call the 'Mainz', but it's really closer to a hispaneus in its form even though the hilt would be more appropriate for a Mainz or Pompeii type gladius. Go figure. Older versions had issues, but the current run via Edge Fair is of better quality; you can get either via Edge Fair or Kult of Athena (will have to email KoA for a sales link).
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Post by isotop235 on Dec 6, 2011 0:53:21 GMT
I am debating buying the Albion Allectus myself. KOA has it as a 3 month wait...if at all, it is limited to 500 blades. The Del Tin seems like a good sword but I can't find a review on here. It is the exact same weight as he Albion and is peened as well...for $300 less. Any input?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 1:52:17 GMT
Depends on how much are you willing to pay for a properly sharpened blade or historical accuracy. Del Tin Mainz is a fine sword except that the hilt might be a little cramped for an average modern day's hand (I actually like the grip on the DT Mainz since I have small hands). Another thing is that DT has an expose steel plate, which should have been a recessed thin piece of Brass. It's a good sword for the money though. Actually if you want a good custom made Mainz gladius, you might want to consider getting one from Mark Morrow. The 20" Mainz might cost around $500 but it is historically accurate and a nicely forged 5160. Here's the link: www.swordsmith.net/roman.htmlAs for the Albion's limited 500 swords, I will be quite surprised they managed to sell even 250 of them. But if they are worth their money if you value the handling and performance of a well researched sword (I personally prefer their newer Augustus based on their grip shape).
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Post by isotop235 on Dec 6, 2011 2:20:30 GMT
That's it!!! The Augustus is cheaper by far than the Allectus...five whole cents! LOL. $674.95 rather than the bank account emptying $675! Woo-hoo!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 4:47:59 GMT
IIRC the plates weren't necessarily recessed, but it was the most common way.
I can't believe that I've never heard of Mark Morrow. I noticed that the prices don't include a scabbard, any idea how much that would cost from him?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 13:01:06 GMT
Correct. There are some (though few) examples of exposed brass guard. But the brass guards used were much thinner than those of KC gladius and Deltin. Also I don't think Del tin use of steel guard was accurate. How can you not know? Shame on you I am not sure how much a scabbard would cost, but I when I asked a year ago, a simple scabbard without the locket plate would be around $350-$400 which seems reasonable given that they are historically accurate. You might be able to pull off a a custom made gladius and scabbard for around $1K.
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Post by gerbopyl on Dec 7, 2011 2:22:33 GMT
Narrowed it down to the Gen2 Wasp Waisted or the Windlass Roman Maintz pattern. If given the choice what would you guys choose?
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Post by isotop235 on Dec 7, 2011 4:16:33 GMT
Gerbopyl, I took a look at the Gen 2 Maintz and I was at the payment screen and went back to make sure. I think the weight is a little heavy at 2 plus lbs. So I took the plunge on an Albion...$675 lord help me
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Post by gerbopyl on Dec 7, 2011 6:48:49 GMT
If you dont like it feel free to send it my way lol.
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Post by isotop235 on Dec 7, 2011 13:40:35 GMT
haha will do.
So what did you decide on?
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Post by isotop235 on Dec 7, 2011 22:02:27 GMT
Actually I had second thoughts and changed it the newer Augustus
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Post by gerbopyl on Dec 8, 2011 7:18:01 GMT
Im still pondering hoping to decide by the weekend.
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Post by isotop235 on Dec 8, 2011 12:21:47 GMT
I am concerned with the weight. My current Hanwei Maintz is a nicely weighted blade, and quick in the hand...beautiful waist. I had some initial problems with the handle starting to rattle a bit. This was solved by removing the bone handle and filling the cavity with epoxy resin. I reassembled the handle and pommel, now it is tighter than before. Problem solved. I am so enamored of this style that I wanted another, better quality example. I hope the Albion fits the bill....three month wait though.
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Post by Krelian on Dec 8, 2011 21:34:17 GMT
Glad you made this thread. I've been meaning to ask this very question as I find the Mainz pattern to easily be one of the most beautiful swords in antiquity. Still don't quite know all the pros and cons of the sub-$300 models though...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 22:30:05 GMT
Well if you have not decided between the Windlass Mainz and Gen 2 Romand Mainz Gladius may I persuade you to consider the Windlass. To be fair both are well made but historically inaccurate, but the Windlass Mainz seems to handle and look closer to a typical historical Mainz than the Gen 2. I am not dissing on Gen 2 product of course and if you don't really care that much about historical accuracy in looks and handling, I think both Windlass and Gen 2 are both good sword, and Gen 2 comes sharp and that's a bonus. If you want something more accurate, Del Tin is the next option followed by Mark Morrow custom Mainz gladius and of course Albion if you have the funds. Also if you care more of historical accuracy than performance/function for reenactment, you might also want to consider a gladius from Armamentaria (UK) www.armamentaria.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14_2&products_id=131Sub $300 gladius that comes unsharpened and is great for reenactment. I would not cut with it unless it comes out solid and sturdy.
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Post by gerbopyl on Dec 9, 2011 3:39:13 GMT
Very helpful thanks a lot jerrymander
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Post by gerbopyl on Dec 14, 2011 7:54:01 GMT
My wife got me the windlass version for christmas. I kind of ruined the surprise when I almost bought the one blade had up for sale on here. I will put up some pictures when I get it.
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Post by isotop235 on Dec 14, 2011 7:57:02 GMT
She is a good woman. I will get no sword for Christmas, so I had to buy it myself. Enjoy the Windlass...I have two and they appear sturdy...sharp too
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