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Post by MOK on Mar 26, 2011 8:45:09 GMT
Exactly. Even with regular katana some curvature is put into the blade before quenching to control the final shape of the sori; to do a blade with the edge on the concave side, you just need to be a lot more aggressive about it because the quenching will actually straighten the curve out a bit. Mostly it would present problems because it's not done often so you'll be hard pressed to find anyone with experience with this particular construction. Now, as for using it to beat people up instead of cutting them, you'll run into some issues with hitting things with the softer spine instead of the edge, but that has far more to do with hitting things with the softer spine than with which way the blade curves. And I don't think it'll be much of an issue with the soft targets like human flesh and bone that you should be aiming for, anyway.  My problem with the "reverse katana" thing is, I just don't see the advantage over simply beating people up with the back of a regular katana - or better yet, a bokuto! Why in the world would you need a special sword just for not cutting? If a sword-shaped club was good enough for kensei Musashi, it's damn well good enough for you. |
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Mar 26, 2011 8:49:51 GMT
I'm glad I'm not the only person thinking this. I think the bigger question that needs to be asked is why would you want a sakabato? It really defeats the purpose of a sword and if you're just looking for something to use as a sword-shaped club, a bokuto is the perfect tool for the job.
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Post by MOK on Mar 26, 2011 9:00:37 GMT
Actually, it doesn't even defeat the purpose of a sword at all - a sakabato still has a perfectly good edge and can cut just fine, it's simply a non-standard blade shape for a Japanese sword. Which makes the usual "pacifist" rationale (yeah, I'm looking at you, Rurouni Kenshin) for carrying one kinda silly.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Mar 26, 2011 9:17:30 GMT
Well, that's more or less what I meant; it can still cut, yes, but due to the manner in which the katana is used, with a sakabato, you'd have to completely adjust your entire fighting style to use the edge. Using the edge with it because a three part motion (drawing, turning the blade, and then cutting) as opposed to one. Mind, you could still kill by using a blunted blade... It's just a lot harder.
As for Rurouni Kenshin, I'll be honest, much as I enjoyed the series, the sakabato really only played a purpose for Kenshin's duality as the hitokiri (as well as comedy): if he just used a bokuto, the police wouldn't have harassed him for carrying a sword, but at the same time, all those times he reverted to the hitokiri, even briefly, would have been pointless since they were so palpable because he had an edge on his sword.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 26, 2011 12:00:14 GMT
whats wrong with wantin a sword for the coolness factor? lol. its just something diff to add to a growing collectrion, id prolly cut with it a few times but not all the time, as for hitting stuff wioth the soft spine. surely a milk jug wouldnt destroy metal, and tyhe only other thing that is meant to be hit with it is people. which i wont be doing...welll if someone breaks in....no i wont do that. Lol
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Post by Google on Mar 26, 2011 14:17:29 GMT
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Post by SeanF on Mar 26, 2011 15:22:52 GMT
That is exactly what I gathered.
I don't see any problems hitting with the soft backside. Soft steel is tougher than hard steel. The difference is the hard steel is, well, harder. So it is more likely to scratch/dent/deform, all of which are very negative to edge retention. But if you don't have an edge to retain I don't think it would make much of an difference. In fact if you were to lessen the edge use of the sword you could make the martensite represent a smaller percentage of the blade resulting in a tougher overall sword. (I have no idea what the pros/cons to this balance out to be, just a hypothetical to keep us all thinking)
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Post by SanMarc on Mar 26, 2011 19:33:29 GMT
The Point with Kenishin is "Face" You are supposed to kill your opponent in the duel, when you lose, you die, for Honor, if your opponent wins and leaves you alive, bad lose of Face and you are looked down on by Every one, so you would probably commit Seppuku any way, Musashi used that to great effect in his latter years and probably didn't have to fight as many Duels because on leaving his opponents alive to face dishonor.....SanMarc.
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Post by Taran on Mar 26, 2011 21:00:45 GMT
Having read the thread, I finally have an understanding of what is being talked about and looked for. It's pretty much the Dacian falx that forced the Romans to change their armour. It has some significant advantages for making some really terrifying wounds, according to Roman writing, but it's not exactly the easiest thing in the world to learn to use.
Finding a TH reverse katana would be no harder than finding someone experienced in the construction of a falx and giving them the desired dimensions.
Who knows? They might even be able to DH it for you.
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Post by Hiroshi on Mar 27, 2011 3:31:59 GMT
That does NOT look like a $500 sword.
Between obviously fake looking hamon and the horrible itomaki I cant see that price point. not for a slo anyway.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 27, 2011 4:05:08 GMT
wow ur right hiroshi...looks cheaper than a ryan sword
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Post by Google on Mar 27, 2011 12:54:46 GMT
Jidai are indeed overpriced, but it's an option so I gave it.]
Keep in mind it's a mogito (imitation blade).
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 27, 2011 13:08:08 GMT
yeah it was totally ok to post it, it may be someone elses taste ;D
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Post by SanMarc on Mar 27, 2011 15:04:28 GMT
Cult Of Athena has probly the best selection of carbon steel Sabatos around, look in the Japenese section under alt swords and you will find them, not bad for the price.....SanMarc.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 27, 2011 15:25:56 GMT
thanks ill take a look
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Post by randomnobody on Mar 27, 2011 17:48:11 GMT
Well, yeah, the obviously fake looking hamon is a given...it IS an iato...that's how they work...but the itomaki is certainly subpar. I'm a little dubious of the whole forged claim, what with the..duralumin...whatever that is...but considering this is certainly a specialty piece, made in Japan, even this amount of "quality" does bring about $500, especially with the current Yen-to-Dollar ratio... But yeah...I think the closest thing to a decent reverse-blade kat I've seen was that one by Ritter, I think? Yeah, this thing: www.kultofathena.com/product.asp ... ade+Katana Far from the best sword...but the best reverse-blade-katana-esque sword I know of for less than a few grand. Whoops, where'd this page come from? Either way... |
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Post by SanMarc on Mar 27, 2011 17:53:52 GMT
The ritter is off, the one that is spot on is out of stock! Thats the one I have, you will have to wait untill KOA gets another shippment in, first on on top on the site....SanMarc.
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Post by randomnobody on Mar 27, 2011 17:55:47 GMT
Technically, they're all way off.  If I had to be picky, the Ritter's got the closest overall shape, blade-wise. Something just puts me off about the idea of a bohi on a reverse-blade...and the way they shape the kissaki portion is just...no. :? Speaking to this one, I presume: www.kultofathena.com/product.asp ... ade+Katana |
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Post by SanMarc on Mar 27, 2011 18:06:11 GMT
Yeah, thats the one, it has nice fittings, and wasn't Kenishins second sword have a Bo Hi? I am going to get the DVD set soon, so will reacquaint my self with the Anime......SanMarc.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Mar 27, 2011 18:06:57 GMT
that particular model looks alot better than the ritter. and the bohio looks pretty good on that one. Now to see if huawei would make one in DH.
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If I had to be picky, the Ritter's got the closest overall shape, blade-wise. Something just puts me off about the idea of a bohi on a reverse-blade...and the way they shape the kissaki portion is just...no. :? 
