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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2007 2:43:53 GMT
what the hell...? Redjohn, keep that up and you'll be missing a slice of your body ;D Where in the world did you get such a sabre? RedJohn is older than he looks. He scavenged the saber off of a dead enemy during the Civil War... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2007 2:59:49 GMT
Mine I inherited from my grandfather, before that I've no idea where it came from, and contrary to rumor and speculation here, I did not steal it from a dead soldier. He was only wounded.
Here, stand by and I'll see if I can take pics, host pics, and post pics. Might be a bit.
-John
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Post by rammstein on Mar 31, 2007 3:03:45 GMT
so I'm to believe you stole the sabre from your wounded grandfather? That wasn't very family like of you, now was it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2007 3:18:12 GMT
Red can claim anything he wants, but I have the photographic evidence to back up my assertion! Doesn't that guy on the far right in the funny hat look mighty familiar? Sergeant RedJohn and the boys, circa 1861.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2007 3:38:52 GMT
Okay, okay, I was there too (since Red and I are the same age, I knew you guys'd put two and two together eventaully). Here is the real undoctored photograph:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2007 3:44:25 GMT
LMAO, I knew you seemed familiar, still having pains from that farmers buckshot? No no, it wasn't like that, he, it, I...oh sure, if you want to put it like that. You can also regard it as "early inheritance." Actually, I got it from my father, who got it from his father, who got it who knows where. I had a couple of period experts look at it, and they both agreed that it is authentic, and that it was likely a reforged blade as it is missing the "U.S. Army" stamp. However I was assured that this was not uncommon due to breakage during the war, when a camp blacksmith would make repairs. One guy was led to believe that the blade was a working sword, mainly due to the wear patterns on the sword's blade and hand guard. However looking at it myself I don't know, as the thing is 150 years old, and who knows who had done what with it over the course of it's life. Ok, lets see if this works. My apologies for the quality, these were pretty hasty shots. -John
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2007 3:59:49 GMT
Looks like the top of the guard got bent down at some point. The main inaccuracy of the Windlass saber I have is that the blade is only 3/16" at the hilt, whereas, as you pics indicate, period sabers had fat blades. Cold Steel's version is better in that respect. Let's see some cutting pics with that saber! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2007 4:14:23 GMT
Uh Uh. I'm not about to cut with this old girl, she happily lives up on the wall telling war stories to all the new blades on the block. I've thought about straighting the guard back out, but have refrained for two reasons. A) it's old, and I worry about metal fatigue and potential breakage if I screw it up and do it wrong. B) it's a great place to hang it from.
-John
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2007 19:31:09 GMT
Hello all, I got my replacement Sabre from Cold Steel yesterday! I love it. And it is even more well balanced than the first one it seems to me. I am not going to do a review of it, as it is identicle to the first one. The only difference is it is sharpened (pretty sharp too) from about the exact center of the blade to the point. The first one was only had about the forward third of the blade sharpened. I like this one better. The false edge on the backside from the point back a few inches is not sharpened.
Other than that it is awesome. I did a cutting test last night. I will post a seperate post about that. Now I can't wait until I get my Ames Sabre. Freebooter
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2007 19:51:56 GMT
Hey y'all, I spoke with Ken Morrison, a professor of history at some collage here in Alabama, a lifelong student of the Civil War, especially the cavalry, and a reenactor for many years. He is now like the head cavalry guy in the Alabama Division of Reenactors or something like that. He also has several originals of both the 1840 heavy and the 1860 light. He told me that the 1840 has the wider, slightly thicker blade and that it is flat on the back edge where as the 1860 has a slightly rounded back edge. The Cold Steel in my opinion, judging from what I know, have read, and have seen of originals is one that they have created using attributes of both; i.e.; the wider, flat backed back blade edge of the 1840 with a handle with the swell of the 1860 but with the slight angle of the 1840. I think the guard is ever so slightly altered. I will explain later. My son is outside laying down on my horn so we can go get him some danged shoes. Either way, it is awesome!
When I get my Ames light cav sabre, I am going to drive up to Oxford, Al., to show Ken both of them and see what he thinks.
Now then, one more thing: Some people argue about the originals' points, how they should be shaped, etc.. I and my brother have owned several originals and I have handled and seen originals elswhere, in museums, friends, etc., etc.. They were made by a number of companies, both domestic and abroad, not just Ames.. For example a friend has his great great grandaddy's 1860 Lt cav sabre that he carried in the "Prattville Dragoons", a cav company from Prattville, Al.. It became eventually Co. "H", 3rd Alabama Cavalry, Wheeler's Cav Corps, Army of Tennessee, C.S.A.. The soldier's name was Pvt. Darryl Frank DeRamus or George Frank DeRamus. One fought in Lee's Army of N. Virg in the "Autauga Rifles", another company (Infantry) from my area which wound up in the 6th Alabama Inf, Longstreet's Corps and lost a leg up there somewhere. The other was the cavalryman I mentioned. I forget which is which. But from what I have seen there are indeed slight variations in handles between models made by various contractors and other things such as slight differences in the way the points are shaped, guard, etc.. I believe, if I remember correctly, the one my buddy has that his ancestor toted was made in Solingen, Germany. I think it has it on the blade somewhere near the guard. I must look him up and eyeball the saber again. The leather and wire wrap is long gone and only the wooden grip is visible, with it carved with the little sunk in lines for where the wire wrap originally went. Later, Freebooter
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