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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2006 2:09:17 GMT
Arms of Valor, Ltd. also has a sword review page. www.swordsofvalor.comIt has been slow going getting some of our tests completed, but we have big plans for 2007!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2006 4:04:24 GMT
I'm looking forward to reading more of your comparison review. I reviewed the Shrewsbury for SBG, and it'll be interesting to see which of your observations or conclusions either concur with or differ from mine. I've been eying both the Gen 2 12th C. sword and the Lucerne. I've read Mr. Tsafa's favorable comments on the Lucerne, but I'm also interested in how it will fare in your comparison. Good stuff. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2006 5:19:34 GMT
No problem, glad to see your interest. I hope to cut some rice mats in the very near future. I can tell you that I did some box cutting with the sharpened Shrewsbury and had the little round nut loosen, but was able to tighten it with pliers. So far that is the only problem I have found.
As light as it is, it will take a lot of speed to cut through a 3/4 inch dow wrapped in a rice mat, but we will see how it does shortly!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2006 23:38:43 GMT
I am very much looking forward to watching this review site grow and develop. Do you have any plans to do any durability tests? I have been contacted by two seperate people who told me that the Shrewsbury swords broke in the tang. One of the guys was only hitting cardboard boxes. I also have heard that the tang constraction is not consistant. A third person told me that they took it apart to find a welded rod tang inside it. Take a look at this:
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Post by rammstein on Dec 9, 2006 0:09:16 GMT
Tsfa, I'm pretty rough with my shrewsbury and absolutely nothing has happened except a loose crossguard.
Now take a look at that shrewsbury's crosses on the quillions. It's certainly not one of the recent ones, that have larger and more clrearly designed cutouts. second, the ends cut off sharply, not end in rounded points like this one. also, though this might just have been revomed, where is the nut at the end of the pommel? I was under the impression that my sword was peened as well, as it has an uneven texture and you can see the welding.
Maybe this is depeeka's version or is one of windlass's earlier products.
Eitherway that is NOT the shrewsbury on the market today. Just though I should shed some light!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 0:29:39 GMT
I don't know, I am looking at the last photo at the bottom of Reliks page. They look the same except that this one has lost its shine. That may also be a lighting issue. They both have crosses punched out into the the guard. The pommol looks the same. The person who bought it said he bought it aprox year ago. He said it was windlass not Depeka or anything else.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 9, 2006 1:20:46 GMT
I'm holding my shrewsbury in hand now. The cutouts are very very crisp with no rounding whatsoever. Thequillions end very sharply, the corners almost forming points. The pommels themselves look the same but my version has a large nut at the very end that looks peened.
Also I got mine from reliks,out of coincience.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 1:50:48 GMT
That is not a picture of a Windlass Sword. Also look at the scabbard it is all leather, where as the Winlass Scabbards have steel throats.
I will be doing durability tests in the future. For now I am doing things that people should cut with their swords like practice cutting on various objects like boxes and rice mats. I also have plans to do some flex tests and blade on blade contact.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 9, 2006 1:55:26 GMT
actually that 'almost' looks like a del tin sword, but I think del tin is a highly reputable company and wouldn't make tangs like that. Trueswordsman, I wasn't going to point out the scabbard because many people make seperate scabbards or pay others to make them. (I'm having one made from tritonworks.com soon, for example.) The del tin sword is somewhere in here, around page 20: www.deltin.net/catalogo1105-5.pdfThe pommel is diferent but the crossguard is similar.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 4:19:36 GMT
hmm. They guy did say he paid about $100 for it. That is roughly the same price at Reliks although I didn't ask specificly where he got it from. I sent him an email asking where he got it and how long ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 6:07:31 GMT
Below is the currently available Shrewsbury's tang. It's certainly not a monster, but adequate for the swords light weight. It's also just not the type of sword with which to do heavy cutting, so the tang shouldn't be an issue ( though, the 90 degree un-radiused shoulders do bother me somewhat). Mine has been relegated to essentially a noodle cutter (and the occasional two-liter bottle), so I'm not that concerned. The hilt is secured with a 5/16"-18 tpi (threads per inch) threaded nut.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 13:26:25 GMT
Just from seeing the tang and the crossguard I knew it was not a Windlass, and then adding the scabbard into the equation was a further indicator.
Tomorrow I will be doing the test cutting and filming it, so with luck should have the results posted next week.
I am concerned about the Shrews cutting through the rice mats, and think maybe I should have picked a different sword like the Windlass long sword, but I was trying to pick a sword from each brand with the same profile. They all seemed to fit, though the Paul Chen Hand and a Half is just a little wider. I guess I will find out soon enough.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 9, 2006 17:21:16 GMT
Hm...I guess its not peened then. My mistake. I guess I'll try to dissesemble my shrewsbury sometime!
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Post by rammstein on Dec 9, 2006 17:22:06 GMT
Jason, as the shrewsbury is meant to be a thrusting sword, I do believe you might want to pick up another sword better designed for this purpose by windlass. I've heard their longsword is on of their better ones.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 18:18:46 GMT
I have put a very sharp edge on it, so with the right technique it should work. If not then I will have to go back to the drawing board and pick 3 new swords from each manufacturer to review and test.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 19:57:48 GMT
Well TSM, the scabbard isn't much to speak of. It could be from an old sword or a custom made. I often exchange my swords and scabbards from one to another. Though this is a long shot.
I do agree though. I don't own a windlass sword, but I have seen them enough to know that is probably not one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 20:49:57 GMT
Thanks for posting that picture. Not a bad sword for $100
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2006 4:33:38 GMT
Big day tomorrow as I will be doing the comparison test cutting. Based on your feedback I will be taking a 15th Century Windlass sword as back up for the Shrewsbury. www.armsofvalour.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOVL&Product_Code=500800&Category_Code=WSCI would have taken a Windlass Long Sword for back up but did not have any sharpened. The profile does not match the other two brands as well (Gen 2 - Lucerne, Paul Chen - Hand and a Half), but I do not have concerns about them like I do the Shrews. I should have a full report and videos posted to the swordsofvalor demo page sometime next week. My rice mats are soaking!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2006 4:21:46 GMT
I got it done. Please start with the comparison page and then use the link at the bottom to move on to the test cutting results. www.swordsofvalor.com/swordcomparisons.htmlI plan on doing thrusts through chainmaile for the next test!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2006 7:17:01 GMT
:)Great work! I'm especially glad to see how well the Lucerne did, given that Type XV's, while being described as "cut-and-thrust" blades, are often more oriented toward the thrust, with somewhat less effectiveness in the cut as compared to more dedicated cutting blades. The two G2 swords I've long had my eye on are the 12th Century (which you'll see in another thread that I now own ;D) and the Lucerne. If it does well in the thrusting tests (which I have no reason to believe it won't), then I'll be totally sold on it. The Chen sword bending was a bit of a shock. I was under the impression that they had a pretty decent heat treat on their blades. There's the chance it could be one that slipped through QC, but it sure doesn't inspire confidence in any case. The Windlass didn't surprise me. With a fairly wide, thin blade, decently heat treated (though probably a tad on the soft and flexy side for my taste), one would expect it to cut well. Still, it's nice to know that it actually performed as expected. I look forward to the next installment. Thank you for putting in the time and bringing this comparison test to us. It is greatly appreciated.
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