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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 7:07:53 GMT
This will probably sound a little strange, but does anyone here know how to properly wear a Chinese sword? Particularly those like the Cold Steel Gim or any of the new Dynasty Forge Chinese line? They come with a suspension system and I can see several ways they could be worn, but I'm not exactly sure what is the proper way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 13:19:06 GMT
According to what I can find, jians were held in the hand rather than worn. Other swords, when worn, seem to be wrapped in a sash around the waist, like what I understand to be a properly worn katana.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 16:43:02 GMT
mhmm, i've only seen them either in hands or sashes as well, course i get all my information in life from $5 kung fu movies..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 19:37:31 GMT
I asked this question to Garret a while ago, and he gave me this picture:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 21:08:45 GMT
I asked this question to Garret a while ago, and he gave me this picture: That clasp looks like a quick release system and I'm assuming you could adjust the angle by moving the knots on the cord. That's what I was hoping for, so thanks. +1 for the info (I needed it; I have two characters in my books who carry Chinese styled swords and I was hoping to figure out the proper way to carry them).
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Post by Dom T. on Sept 2, 2010 1:30:21 GMT
Yeah... I could see carrying the swords in hand all day getting a little annoying. I wonder why they do that in those Chinese movies....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 1:42:01 GMT
Hmm...looks rather similar to the sword suspension of a viking sword. www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=18104It is terribly inefficient for Chinese soldier to carry sword at their hands at all time. After all, a primary weapon for most medieval military soldiers would need to carry a spear. Edit: Spelling, thanks vincentdolan
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 1:58:50 GMT
Yeah... I could see carrying the swords in hand all day getting a little annoying. I wonder why they do that in those Chinese movies.... I think that's because they're Wushu and not 100% historically (or even logically) accurate. If I had to hazard a guess as to why they do it in the movies is because the sheath would make a decent parrying weapon if needed. @eques: The primary weapon for soldiers, you mean. I'm pretty sure that the officers, while still carrying a spear for cavalry usage, would have their choice of primary weapon. But that's really just arguing semantics, I suppose.
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Post by Dom T. on Sept 2, 2010 2:04:32 GMT
Everyone knows that the commanding officers hide in a tent some 10000 miles away while barking out commands through radio.... Oh, wait, wrong millennia.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 2:16:24 GMT
Everyone knows that the commanding officers hide in a tent some 10000 miles away while barking out commands through radio.... Oh, wait, wrong millennia. Very wrong millennia. After all, Alexander the Great was known for leading at the head of his armies so that the first thing his enemies saw was his golden armor glinting in the sun. Genghis Khan did the same and so did about a hundred or so others. I think leaders only stopped going to the front with the advent of gunpowder weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 3:04:25 GMT
Soldiers didn't tend to carry jians, anyway. And, yes, carrying the sword in hand all day Does get a little annoying. Especially when shopping.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 5:19:38 GMT
So, anybody who has experience wanna fill me in? I mean, you see jian scabbards used a LOT as parrying weapons in movies, and to a certain extent Dao Scabbards, but are there really systems that teach this? Just curiosity....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 5:20:11 GMT
Well I also just remembered a conversation I had at a Chinese sword group that I was apart of for a while (Garrett, Gundoggy, and another person that isn't apart of SBG) and I think Gundoggy said that basically everyone had a hook on their belt that the suspension system attached to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 7:22:23 GMT
So, anybody who has experience wanna fill me in? I mean, you see jian scabbards used a LOT as parrying weapons in movies, and to a certain extent Dao Scabbards, but are there really systems that teach this? Just curiosity.... TANGENT ALERT!!!! There might have been at one point, with most sword play being focused on competition and not actual combat, techniques are now for show rather than their effectiveness at killing someone/stopping someone from killing you. Most Chinese sword forms don't even seem to recognize the scabbard as being part of the sword (in the sense of a weapon system, rather than being physically part of the sword). @makadona: That's an interesting thought. I'd considered something like there being a hook on the sheath so that the metal piece on the suspenders goes under the belt, folds over, and hooks onto it, securing the sword; granted, that was for a fantasy sword (said sword essentially being the whole reason I started this thread, so I could figure out how the hell to suspend it in my book).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 7:56:58 GMT
Well I bet if you contacted Garret or Gundoggy they would be happy to give you more detailed information.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 8:32:14 GMT
Well I bet if you contacted Garret or Gundoggy they would be happy to give you more detailed information. That's probably what I'll end up doing. I'd like to get as much info as I can since I like my stories to be as realistically accurate as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 15:28:18 GMT
When you get the info, share it with the rest of us please.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 1:16:17 GMT
When you get the info, share it with the rest of us please. Well, that's a given, Taran. For whatever reason, I couldn't access the SBG forum at all yesterday, so I went looking through various sites and other forums, such as those of Great River Taoist Central; I'll post what I've found so far here. This comes from a topic in the GRTC forum on this exact subject by way of Peter Dekker: Here's a Korean sword with a very similar suspension system, though the fundamental difference between the two is that you have to remove the belt to remove the sheath of the Korean one, whereas I believe you would simply have to undo the clasp on a Chinese one: www.swordsofkorea.com/sword1.htm
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 1:43:56 GMT
Carrying jian or dao in one's hand is out of the movies and would be only practical in known situations of danger.
Mostly, atleast in the military, both weapons were side arms, secondary to longpole arms or bows. Both were suspended at the belt like P. Dekker describes. There are many antique pics on the net, where one can see such suspensions.
For dao it is also of interest, how the curvature of the blade is adapted to the side, backwards or forwards, both are known and seem to varry with periods, peoples and regions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2010 9:12:40 GMT
Although not based on any specific historical examples, my own personal sword belt will be featuring a bone hook to hold to cord and ring type or cord suspension systems found on many Jian and Dao. It might also be worth noting that there are several historic illustrations showing dao being worn at the belt with the handle facing towards the persons back rather than forward.
These are just things I have noticed but I must defer to any information from Garrett, Gunndoggy, Taiwandeutscher, and anything from GRTC forums as those folks know this stuff far better than I do.
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