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Post by teclis22 on Jun 13, 2010 16:07:32 GMT
My understanding of stag is that it allows naturally for a good grip and needs comperable little maintenance. However it is very hard to the point of brittle when completely dry. But that is not a point in most knife uses.
In a sword a node of precussion is in the grip. usually under the main hand. So a handle has to withstand vibration. Not alot mind you but for extended period of time. Thats why very hard material is usually not the best choice from a mechanical point of view.
I am sure someone else can explain this better, but horn just like bone changes attributes quickly after the death of the creature. So a "live" horn should perform a lot better in that regard. Hence your observations of the bull battle.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 16:35:39 GMT
I have a viking sword with an elk horn handle. I'll post pictures of it later when I get my camera back from my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 16:35:54 GMT
I have seen several gladii and a Kat or two with ivory handles-and really,that is what an antler is"ivory"and I cant see a problem using an antler for a hilt.At least not for what we use our swords today for...bottle,pool noodles and mat cutting.Just my 2 cents!I could be wrong though......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 16:57:47 GMT
German hunting swords most noticeably had stag hilts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 19:49:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 20:07:21 GMT
Incredible, thank you for posting that up. I have never seen this before and it looks great!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 20:13:15 GMT
I have seen multiple 16th to 18th century blades with stag hilts ; most were hunting swords or ''hangers'' (short sabers carried by soldiers for close-combat, before the socket bayonnet's days).
I have also seen a custom sword maker who makes these types of swords, sometimes with stag hilt... Can't remember his name, unfortunately...
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Post by Dom T. on Jun 13, 2010 20:37:16 GMT
... Cows have horns? Hahahahah, I'm just kidding. That viking does look very nice though, Luka. I found another viking sword through google images that's supposedly stag on the hilt: www.macdonaldarms.com/armoury/SuontakaSword.php Looks pretty interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 20:46:30 GMT
i like that horn grip gladius.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 21:37:53 GMT
... Cows have horns? Hahahahah, I'm just kidding. That viking does look very nice though, Luka. I found another viking sword through google images that's supposedly stag on the hilt: www.macdonaldarms.com/armoury/SuontakaSword.php Looks pretty interesting. Very nice version of Suontaka sword, but very pricey too...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 22:55:06 GMT
i like that horn grip gladius. I believe that was a Type X viking sword. Luka, if you would please inform us? I may be wrong on my typology.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 0:38:28 GMT
I would swear to having seen the ugliest kat ever with a stag grip extension sort of thing. I'll try to dig up the thread...
Found the thread but the link to the pic seems to be dead...
/index.cgi?board=japaneseswords&action=display&thread=12864&page=1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 2:20:09 GMT
I have a use Antler to mount on some big sax's, and Antler is way diferent than Ivory, it is bone, not ivory wich is a kind of tooth. you want "Killed" Antler, not dropped for what you want, use a epoxy that will not get totally hard, like the two part clear in the double syringe, it is like pitch but holds a little better and will take the shock of the hilt node vibration...SanMarc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 2:36:11 GMT
Here is a picture of my elk handled Viking sword. the fittings on it are Tombaline. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 2:38:34 GMT
Another picture. It was made my John Thompson of Dwarf mountain Knives. I also have a stag handled dagger with tombaline fittings he made and a stag handled sgian dubh (can't remember who made it offhand). I nned to pull them out of storagre to get some pictures of them. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 2:52:23 GMT
I could have sworn that MRL puts out a sword with an antler grip. It's a neat gimmick, but I personally wouldn't trust it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 2:58:12 GMT
The grip is actually very good. Mine is slightly tacky and hasn't once slipped in my hand.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 3:06:12 GMT
As Sam and Sebastian said, 16th-18th century hunting swords +/or hangers often had antler grips. Old Dominion Forge do some great reproductions, including a copy of George Washington's battle sword, which has an antler grip... www.olddominionforge.com/swords.html Oh, and for what its worth, antler and horn are quite different materials. Horn is keratin, the same material as hair and the outer skin layers, whereas antler is modified bone. Cheers Marc E
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 4:02:00 GMT
Yo Poohze
Thanks for that link, that is the seller I was refering to in my earlier post.
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Post by Dave(utilityslave) on Jun 14, 2010 4:26:12 GMT
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