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Post by Ronin Katana on May 22, 2010 2:24:08 GMT
Interesting article. Thu May 20, 11:00 am ET SYDNEY (Reuters) – Ninjas are not known for having a soft side, but a group of warriors came to the rescue of a student in Sydney who was being viciously assaulted by muggers. Ninjas scared off three men who were attacking a 27-year-old German medical exchange student in an alleyway outside their warrior school, the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper reported on Wednesday. One of the teachers saw the attack and instructed the students, who were decked out in their black garb, to go out and confront the muggers. "You should have seen their faces when they saw us in ninja gear coming toward them," the school's sensei, or master, Kaylan Soto, told the newspaper. Another ninja, Steve Ashley, said: "It was probably the worst place in Sydney where they could have taken him." (Writing Miral Fahmy, editing by Sugita Katyal) news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100520/od_nm/us_australia_ninjas
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Post by Dom T. on May 22, 2010 2:32:55 GMT
PAHAHAHAHAHAH! Oh, that is GREAT! +1 for finding an awesome article! F*ck medicine, I want to be a ninja!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 3:17:57 GMT
That would have been quite a site to see. I do agree with intervening, but...
I honestly don't agree with the idea of a sensei "instructed the students, who were decked out in their black garb, to go out and confront the muggers."
How would he have felt if the three men or just one of them produced a hand gun and started shooting? Putting students in harms way is a bit irresponsible. Now I don't have issue if he asked for volunteers from experienced students, but to instruct students to step into real live combat with unknown factors is not good. Plus not just could the students get hurt, but they could have been put in the situation of hurting someone without knowing the proper restraint.
So in general I do agree with the concept of helping, but the way (at least how it was reported) of the teacher doing it I find irresponsible and dangerous. Just my opinion here, and it is a small difference. I do give some slack considering it was probably a heat of moment decision and well, you have a class full of ninja, come on it does sound like fun to come pouring out to defend someone.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 3:38:30 GMT
this is already posted in the cafe
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 10:43:38 GMT
Sorry Ronin, I had posted this when it showed up in my news feeds during yesterday's morning coffee. Funny stuff though.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 13:19:46 GMT
I honestly don't agree with the idea of a sensei "instructed the students, who were decked out in their black garb, to go out and confront the muggers."You might want to consider Why these people wanted to be ninjas. Chances are, they were more interested in Helping people or the idea that ninjas help people than in being assassins. Well, how would we feel if the story read that people who might have possibly been able to stop this crime didn't and the German student ended up dead? Either we take risks to protect ourselves and others or we don't. But the only people who ever win if we don't take those risks are the bad guys.
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Post by stromloswordsusa on May 22, 2010 13:30:03 GMT
Dont forget this was Australia, very low chance of a gun getting pulled.
The few organised crime types able to get concealable firearms don't tend to spend their afternoon's beating up exchange students for $20.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 14:00:26 GMT
I think what those ninjas did was brave and selfless. There is something to be said for being more concerned with the safety of others in need rather than your own. Putting others first is a noble and heartfelt thing to do. That is chivalry in my book.
I wish I could give them a karma +1
Good job boys.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 14:14:23 GMT
I honestly don't agree with the idea of a sensei "instructed the students, who were decked out in their black garb, to go out and confront the muggers."How would he have felt if the three men or just one of them produced a hand gun and started shooting? Putting students in harms way is a bit irresponsible. Yeah, but so is standing by and watching a guy getting "viciously assaulted." Now, if I was a martial arts teacher, and I had to chose between the headlines: "Ninjas rescues mugging victim" and "Martial arts class saw man get mugged - did nothing" I would probably have come to a similar decision. The guy was getting viciously assulted, according to the article. I'd think putting a stop to that should have kinda taken priority over showing the muggers "proper restraint", had it come to blows. I get what you're saying, but this simply doesn't sound like the kind of situation where they could afford to be careful or rationally think things through. I think what those ninjas did was brave and selfless. There is something to be said for being more concerned with the safety of others in need rather than your own. Putting others first is a noble and heartfelt thing to do. That is chivalry in my book. I wish I could give them a karma +1 Good job boys. Hear, hear! A toast to the heroes, huzzah!
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Post by Dom T. on May 22, 2010 14:22:31 GMT
Oh, didn't see this in the SBG cafe cuz sometimes I'm lazy and don't sign in, and it doesn't show up for guests, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 14:33:45 GMT
Pic's up:
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 16:47:53 GMT
Ya'll do realize that "proper restraint" only applies to law enforcement, right? Those not trained in the "escalation of force" are not and can not be legally or logically expected to abide by it.
Besides, if a few muggers get their heads kicked in, maybe said muggers (and a few who might want to become muggers) will learn a valuable lesson.
A lesson like: "Don't be a mugger or ninjas will kick your head in."
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 17:26:32 GMT
Yeah,how do you not do something in this situation.Ok guys who wants to go help that person?I doubt they would have been punished had they said no in that situation,but who knows.Great job ninjas! and sensei!I would love to have seen the looks on the muggers faces!With great power comes gre....oh well.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 17:49:39 GMT
That would have been quite a site to see. I do agree with intervening, but... I honestly don't agree with the idea of a sensei "instructed the students, who were decked out in their black garb, to go out and confront the muggers."How would he have felt if the three men or just one of them produced a hand gun and started shooting? Putting students in harms way is a bit irresponsible. Now I don't have issue if he asked for volunteers from experienced students, but to instruct students to step into real live combat with unknown factors is not good. Plus not just could the students get hurt, but they could have been put in the situation of hurting someone without knowing the proper restraint. So in general I do agree with the concept of helping, but the way (at least how it was reported) of the teacher doing it I find irresponsible and dangerous. Just my opinion here, and it is a small difference. I do give some slack considering it was probably a heat of moment decision and well, you have a class full of ninja, come on it does sound like fun to come pouring out to defend someone. Edmund Burke said all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Do not allow evil to triumph. Do not do sit by and do nothing
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 18:24:14 GMT
A lesson like: "Don't be a mugger or ninjas will kick your head in." Taran, you are my new hero. Oh, and I doubt that the teacher was like "Go help him or get kicked out of my class." It was probably like: Teacher: *Look* Students: *Nod* Teacher: *Looks out the window and back to his students to find that they have vanished and then looks BACK out the window to see his ninja students running through the tree tops*
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 18:35:25 GMT
A lesson like: "Don't be a mugger or ninjas will kick your head in." Taran, you are my new hero. Oh, and I doubt that the teacher was like "Go help him or get kicked out of my class." It was probably like: Teacher: *Look* Students: *Nod* Teacher: *Looks out the window and back to his students to find that they have vanished and then looks BACK out the window to see his ninja students running through the tree tops* LMAO!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 20:13:16 GMT
Well I see most of the responses to my post have not taken the time to actually read and understand my post. They like the teacher acted rashly without thought. Striking out with emotion instead of thinking what might be the proper course of action.
I did not say not to act, I said acting was good. Even gave slack for the poor thinking of instructing the students to act or the possible misrepresentation of the media of what the teacher might have said.
What I did say is a teacher of martial arts should know better than to put his students into live combat by instruction. To ask is they wish to help I consider fine, to warn it might be dangerous should be done, to warn not to get carried away should be done. These are things a good instructor would do.
As for laws of assaulting someone involved in a crime. Most places it is still illegal to assault someone with undo force. For example, 8 ninja kicking in the head of one guy. That could actually become attempted murder charges for those 8 ninja in many places. Yes the law tends to look the other way some when civilians rescue someone etc but it does not excuse the actions.
Criminals in heavily regulated gun control nations are the most likely to have guns. There are stats of how criminals are more likely to carry and use guns when they know civilians wont have them. Maybe they didn't have guns, but knives instead. Knives can be just as dangerous. These 3 muggers could have been trained fighters also. This is the problem of going from dojo teaching setting into the real world and live real combat. It is a lot of unknowns.
Is it really so bad I suggest caution in taking students into real combat situations? Is it so bad I voice concern for safety?
I have been in street fights, they are not like Hollywood. They are dangerous and can turn on you in an instant. I do not think it bad to have concern for student safety. One must ask why did the teacher find it necessary to bring his students into the fight? Was 3 opponents too much for him? Seems like he was not much of a ninja teacher if he could not fight 3 guys alone. Bringing his students out with him was a way to become a gang of intimidation. The teacher was using his students as a weapon of fear. The boast of seeing the muggers faces when they saw them coming points that out pretty well.
Stop and think some people, quit your chest thumping bravado and think about things a bit. He put his students in harms way in an unknown situation. I was not saying it is wrong to help save someone. I think it is good, and it is something I would do.
To take this too a personal level. I lost a good friend who chased after a guy who robbed our local little market. Run by a sweet little old lady and her family before her. The robber turned and shot my friend, who died trying to help stop a crime. Good intentions do not always work out well.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 20:26:15 GMT
Oh noes !! Antoher self-defense thread !! Run to the hills before it blows !!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 20:34:42 GMT
Oh noes !! Antoher self-defense thread !! Run to the hills before it blows !! Hahahah ;D Hopefully no ninja are in the hills.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 23:14:16 GMT
the responsible action is not always the safe one , the instructor did not tell the students to go out and attack the muggers just to go out with him to confront them, perhaps he could have taken on all three attackers by him self but do you really think that would have been the prudent move? or his choice to use superior numbers and intimidation to scare the attackers off, after all the real objective was to save the victim as quickly as possible and to that end I think his actions were reasonable and effective, and I for one applaud him.
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