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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2008 10:55:01 GMT
Not only the names are intended to conceal the art. Even the pictures we see have errors and misleading elements. The reason is as Kortoso said: to conceal the art. And that's why it is not as easy as some modern sword friends think: you can't learn real techniques by imitating the pictures of old fencing manuals.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2008 17:31:55 GMT
Not only the names are intended to conceal the art. Even the pictures we see have errors and misleading elements. The reason is as Kortoso said: to conceal the art. And that's why it is not as easy as some modern sword friends think: you can't learn real techniques by imitating the pictures of old fencing manuals. Interesting... If the words an intentionally vague and the pictures are misleading.... What are we left with? Experimentation and testing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2008 11:51:52 GMT
We are left with the tradition. It DID survive, no matter what certain sword-merchants wrote in their books. The tradition survived in old western fencing schools in France and Italy, in Japanes Dojos (yes, it did) and so on. But whatever. The best thing is reality-checking. SCA and similar groups are a great place to do that. If you look at I.33 it will be noticed, that the most important hute is => Which is basically the standard fighting stance in SCA sword/shield. So we can see, what is useful in modern sword combat usually was used in earlier times, too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2008 15:25:17 GMT
Your right giraut, we do have a living tradition. I did not realize that I had bought into what I had read in some books. It is especially evident in the foot work we use. Particularly the gathering steps (fencing advances and retreats). Gathering steps allow us to move while keeping the same leg positions.
That sketch from I.33 does look like the very classic Beletrix fighting guard. Small round shield in outward position and firing off the shoulder. I also know a Duke in the SCA that fights leaning forward just like that too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2008 17:07:54 GMT
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