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Post by Nial on Nov 26, 2009 15:48:32 GMT
I have had old German dagger for many years now and have recantly been thinking of selling it but have been unable to identift it. I have searched the web and spoken to a specialist dealer in WW German daggers and even he has not seen another like it. It has the name KOLLER etched in to the blade and is stamped Solingen Germany. As you can see from the pics it has a sharpened polished double edged blade,solid brass gaurd and pommel and a nice darkwood grip. I'll be grateful for any input. <a href="http://s800.photobucket.com/albums/yy282/deathdealer-88/?action=view¤t=DSCF9476.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy282/deathdealer-88/DSCF9476.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
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Post by Nial on Nov 26, 2009 15:49:56 GMT
It missed this one out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 16:20:21 GMT
since it has no traits looking of the Nazi symbols in in, I would guess this is a WWI dagger, not a WW2 one, but that is just a guess. Also, it looks like a trench knife, so it is possible that this was the property of a soldier who had either been given this by someone else from WW1 or who had commissioned it it from someone (hence his name in engraved in the blade) and brought him with it. That being said, you have to keep in mind that I know little about modern weapons history, so I hope my speculations help.
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Post by Nial on Nov 27, 2009 9:10:59 GMT
Thanks for the input George300 but from what i learned from the specialist i spoke to the name Koller is the name of the maker and it was only post wwii that the Germans started to stamp the blade Slongen Germany it's place of manufacture. In all his years he'd never seen another so it's deff unusual.
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Post by Avery on Nov 27, 2009 20:02:19 GMT
The pommel style is what is throwing me off. That and the lack of insignia. Is there any way you can take a better pic of the Stamp and Etch? From what I can tell, it was most likely made by Hugo Koller, but I think he mostly made folding knives. If I can see the stamp better, I might can tell more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 20:21:21 GMT
It looks like a brassed up ballock dagger to me.
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Post by alvin on Nov 27, 2009 20:41:52 GMT
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Post by Nial on Nov 27, 2009 21:00:18 GMT
The pommel style is what is throwing me off. That and the lack of insignia. Is there any way you can take a better pic of the Stamp and Etch? From what I can tell, it was most likely made by Hugo Koller, but I think he mostly made folding knives. If I can see the stamp better, I might can tell more. I've tried Avery but the flash just always catches it. I'll try again tomorow when we may have some better weather. Yeah i deff think it was made by Gustav L Koller or Hugo Koller there are various styles of dagger like this cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290371633891The guy i talked to about it runs this shop/site. www.germandaggerbuyers.com/german/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 21:20:36 GMT
well, to state the obvious, this is not a standard issue German WWII dagger. That can be good or bad depending on whether you can find out if the person that had it was of any importance... is this was just a random bloke ordering a knife from rather good manufacturer then it's only worth the amount for its workmanship, not history... maybe if you go to a ww2 museum and ask if there is anyone there that could identify historical knives you could find something
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 5:25:40 GMT
Looks like a German version of a Syks-Fairbain, the one with the spade tip, not the stilleto....SanMarc.
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Post by Nial on Nov 28, 2009 10:02:56 GMT
The blade looks very much like those that came on some of the German Airforce /Army daggers of WWII and before. Possibly someone used one of those blades to make this dagger? EDIT.... F.W. Holler of Solingen made German Airforce (Luftwaffe) daggers. An example of a F.W. 2nd Model Luftwaffe dagger......www.worlddaggers.com/data/inspect.asp?Item=290&Filter=Reference+Gallery&Name=2nd+Luftwaffe+Holler+ Thanks Alvin Ii took a look at the airforce dagger and the blades are VERY similar and i guess it's not impossible for someone to use a blade to make a new weapon. The name is deff with a K though not Holler. However on closer inspection i noticed it was written like this, K:OLLER and as i said written vertically not horizontily down the blade like this The K is much closer the others on the blade. K .. O L L E Thanks for the input guys Ebon,george,sanmarc it all helps. I think i may have to look into what you suggested George. R
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Post by Nial on Nov 28, 2009 10:04:43 GMT
That last sentance shouldn't have appeared inbetween the letters of the name ,sorry guys.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 18:31:53 GMT
That's an umlaut the o should look like this: Ö
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 20:48:08 GMT
The blade looks very much like those that came on some of the German Airforce /Army daggers of WWII and before. Possibly someone used one of those blades to make this dagger? EDIT.... F.W. Holler of Solingen made German Airforce (Luftwaffe) daggers. An example of a F.W. 2nd Model Luftwaffe dagger......www.worlddaggers.com/data/inspect.asp?Item=290&Filter=Reference+Gallery&Name=2nd+Luftwaffe+Holler+ Thanks Alvin Ii took a look at the airforce dagger and the blades are VERY similar and i guess it's not impossible for someone to use a blade to make a new weapon. The name is deff with a K though not Holler. However on closer inspection i noticed it was written like this, K:OLLER and as i said written vertically not horizontily down the blade like this The K is much closer the others on the blade. K .. O L L E Thanks for the input guys Ebon,george,sanmarc it all helps. I think i may have to look into what you suggested George. R an o with two dots on top is a german letter, I ain't sure about what sound it makes but I think it's the same as "u." I don't know if Koller's (the knife maker) name is spelled the same way, but if it isn't, that is proof that the person who had this was important.
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Post by Nial on Nov 28, 2009 21:09:25 GMT
Well as i mentioned earlier the guy from the German dagger site i spoke to deals in all types of WWII german dagger and in all his years he said he'd not seen another. He asked me how i came to own it and if i had any eastern european blood in my family? It's been in the family for sometime my father was in the Royal Navy and there was Polish Gypsys way back in the family but this shone no light on it's origin. He advised me to take it to an auction house as he thought it would generate some interest.
I do believe looking at it the maker's name was K:oLLER.
I really do appreciate all you guys trying to help me here. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 14:49:54 GMT
I'm no expert, but it might very well be East German or even People's Republic of Poland-era. Look it up, as many sites overlook the coolness (in my opinion) of former Warsaw Pact stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 20:18:28 GMT
Hi:
This isn't my area of expertise, but a quick survey of the net brought up a couple of items.
The Kollers opened shop in Solingen in 1861. The style of the blade smacks of Hugo Koller. Kollers made trench knives during WWI. Kollers also made service knives for the SA! This doesn't look to be an SA knife so you'll need to back up no sooner than 1920 and work back to 1860s. The hex blade should mean something in dating this piece.
g'luck
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Post by Nial on Nov 29, 2009 21:38:52 GMT
somewhatichiban thanks the republic of Poland era seems a very interesting route to try being i have some eastern european blood in the family.
davekelly thanks to you to very interesting and informative stuff. Just one thing bother's me though is the specialist guy i spoke to(saying this who's to say he was correct as he'd not seen one in dealing with such daggers in all those years?) said they didn't start to stamp the blade solingen Germany til after WWII. Again though you guys have given me more info and routes to try than he did so doesn't say much for his expertise huh?
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Post by Nial on Nov 29, 2009 21:40:07 GMT
Have a karma you guys. ;D
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Post by Nial on Nov 29, 2009 21:49:53 GMT
Hey the Exalt/Smite links have dissapeared from the here,wtf?
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