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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 1:29:04 GMT
I have always wondered if it's possible to use these as an alternative to metals for weapons such as swords, knives, etc. I know that some higher end polymers are capable of being stronger than steel, but they able to maintain an edge and such?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 1:43:46 GMT
Cheaperthandirt.com has a pair of polymer knives for $10. They are supposed to be from the Israeli army. I have some and I feel that they might be suited to stabbing but not cutting. I have not tried though. www.cheaperthandirt.com/DBA015-1.html
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 2:25:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 8:34:40 GMT
Oh Yeah, Those: www.coldsteel.com/nightshadeseries.htmlAlthough the vid on the CS website makes them seem pretty tough, the print catalog has a warning that these can not be subject to the same amount of abuse as a classic steel blade. So, although, these are fairly durable - steel is still the best choice for a weapon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 15:03:10 GMT
The Nightshade series is good if you have need of a weapon but must get past metal detectors. I doubt they'll cut very well but they are pointy so stabbing's definitely the way to go. That karambit looks pretty beastly but I'd probably just opt for the boot knife if I got one of those.
I think the strength of those polymers has to do with shock and abuse, not cutting...
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Jul 15, 2009 15:51:26 GMT
actually, they can't even get past metal detectors. due to a law in California (Where CS headquarters is), all 'synthetic' weapons must have a metal insert specifically so that they CANNOT get past metal detectors. The Nightshade series' appeal lies in their resistance to any and all weather conditions. Heck, store them 10 feet underground in the backyard- they'll be fine. -Slayer
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 16:12:37 GMT
But if they're making/selling them somewhere else...?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 16:25:06 GMT
I'm wondering the same, Steve....besides, it'd be easy enough to check to see if there's a metal insert. If there is, then I see NO POINT in having one of these weapons, not when the steel version is way more suitable for the tasks they're made for.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2009 16:40:15 GMT
See this? www.coldsteel.com/swordcanes.html They sell their sword canes through Arizona to avoid the California laws. "...consider an order for a Sword Cane as an order placed at another, entirely separate, company." The Nightshade page doesn't have that, so they're selling them through the California site and they are subject to that California law. Right?
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Jul 15, 2009 20:37:30 GMT
right. I know this as a fact, as I talked to Tyler from CS about it. In fact, there are a few threads about that subject on the CS foums, so I know I'm not just going crazy here. ;D I agree that the metal versions are FAR superior, though. The only upsides to the NightShade series are: A, they're impervious to weather, and B, they're WAY less expensive then their steel counterparts. Still, I don't have any of them, and frankly, I don't want one. Still, I'm sure there are people out there who love these products and find use for them, just not me. -Slayer
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2009 3:54:25 GMT
The Israeli ones have no metal in them. I checked with a magnet and some guy on the internet told me so.
That said, I would not carry one. The only reason to carry one of these is to get past a metal detector and into a place that dose not allow weapons.
I am sure you could come up with some justifiable(to yourself) reason or whatever as to why you would carry one of these on you daily but the fact remains that these are best just added to your collecton as a curio and not carried.
Just felt like saying that. This is not a response to anything posted on this thread.
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Post by ecovolo on Jul 17, 2009 17:22:50 GMT
Another offering: carbon fiber katana with a titanium edge: www.wtknives.com/warrenthomasswords.htmlThe specs for it, from the web page: "This sword features a blade constructed with a titanium core. Both sides of the core are laminated with carbon fiber to decrease weight and increase speed while maintaining superior strength. The tsuba is solid carbon fiber, the handle is a resin-soaked wrap over black ray skin and the saya is made from Ash. blade length 25.375" handle length 14.75" blade width 0.335" blade: 6AL4V Ti/carbon fiber tsuba: carbon fiber edge: 6AL4V Ti/titanium carbide price: $3850" There is some metal present in it, in the core and the edge. --Edward
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2009 19:54:23 GMT
I wonder how it cuts at that price...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2009 3:15:14 GMT
Its not for cutting, its for the 'ninja who has everything'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 14:23:04 GMT
What happens when you cross swords with a steel blade while you are holding a carbon fiber SLO?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 15:24:58 GMT
What happens when you cross swords with a steel blade while you are holding a carbon fiber SLO? Most likely something I don't want to find out.
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Post by ShooterMike on Jul 19, 2009 16:09:39 GMT
Doggone it! Now you got me thinking of the Viking-era swords that were twisted iron in the (very wide) fuller with a hard steel edge forge welded around the outside. Substitute a carbon fiber center core for the twisted iron, and attach the very hard steel edges via a dovetail and set screw system... Might be worth pursuing if you had lots of time and money to burn, just to come up with something unique?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 17:50:14 GMT
I wonder how it cuts at that price... Titanium doesn't make the greatest blades for a number of reasons. It is really only used when you absolutely cannot use an iron alloy for the application due to magnetic, conductive, weight, or corrosive properties. Its a big sacrifice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 17:51:07 GMT
What happens when you cross swords with a steel blade while you are holding a carbon fiber SLO? The SLO becomes 2 objects.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2009 8:56:15 GMT
What happens when you cross swords with a steel blade while you are holding a carbon fiber SLO? Hmmm well I expect you would die a few seconds latter ;D could not resist that
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