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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jun 26, 2009 1:39:21 GMT
My Ryobi came with 3 belts - 80 / 100 / 120.
Liam I'm so jealous. Our hardware stores only stock up 40, 80, and 120 grits. Lame hey? I found one automotive store that sells 180 and 240 grits, but thats as far as you can get off the shelves. Otherwise we can custom order them up to 400 grit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 11:29:22 GMT
I found 700 grit in the back of the shelf at an ace hardware buried under other sanding supplies. Over here it all depends on what the local store keeps on it's shelf. 80/100/120 just happen to be some of the most common grit sizes.
The 14 grit I found at Southern Tool Supply in the paint section, it's actually for heavy industrial use but it was a 3"x18" belt, go figure.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jun 26, 2009 12:05:20 GMT
Over here I can't get anything finer than 150, even special made for my sander. Not through my friendly power tool shop.
It looks like I'll have to make them myself.
14 grit?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 12:13:39 GMT
Yeah, it's supposedly for scraping industrial epoxy based paints off metal. Looks kinda like little bits of road gravel on the paper belt. Both the 700 grit and 14 grit belts were chance finds at local stores, usually to get anything other than 60-120 grit I have to do some browsing. Brenno, you could try this link and see if they can ship to you: www.abrasiveresource.com/ They didn't have much for belts, but in sheets they have sizes up to 1200 grit and, of course, they have different types of emery cloth for metal working. Slayer, there's a lot to learn when it comes to working with tools and power tools. Just remember any tool can be just as dangerous as a sword if you don't give it that level of respect. On the other hand, using your tools and hands to make something can be a very rewarding experience. Good luck to you with your efforts and if you break some wood along the way don't worry about it, you're just learning. |
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Jun 26, 2009 16:35:27 GMT
Lol, thanks LPBoyle. ;D I hope not to break any wood, 'cause I won't have the $ to buy any more after I get that Ryobi. ;D Coincidentally, I think that Brenno used the cardboard from his new beltsander, the Ozito, to help package my Fableblades! I remember unpacking the and thinking, "Wow. I actually have the packaging to a tool Brenno is using to make MORE fableblades!  " Talk about obsessed.  LOL  What would be a good grit for wood working? More specifically, removing the excess wood from the wooden scabbard core in this tutorial? yeoldegaffers.com/project_scabbard.asp(scroll down until you see pictures of metal chapes, and the scroll up just a little bit past the links. There should be a diagram of a retangular scabbard, and an oval traced over it.) Thanks, guys! I'm really excited about making my own scabbard. I'm definitely a creative type of guy, but there's no creativity in video games, and I stopped playing with Lego a while back.  ;D This, my friends, will be fun! -Slayer |
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Post by brotherbanzai on Jun 26, 2009 17:37:57 GMT
The coarser the grit the faster it will remove material but the rougher the finish. If you're going to cover the scabbard in leather then you probably don't need it to be especially smooth (the smaller numbers are coarser grit and the bigger numbers are finer grit, in case you didn't already know). I would probably go with 80 grit for shaping quickly without removing too much too fast. Any coarser and you could end up sanding away more than you meant and any finer could get tedious, depending on what wood you're using. Of course, soft woos are going to shape very fast so you'll have to be careful. Also, get a good respirator or at least some quality dust masks to wear while you're sanding. They are a small investment and a definite necessity. Eye protection too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 17:56:03 GMT
Yeah, I've got to second brotherbanzai on the respirator and eye protection. Sanding creates lots of fine particles that you don't want to inhale and definitely want to keep out of the opticals. Go slow, be patient and you will be rewarded with the beauty of your own creation. Don't forget to post pics when you are done.
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Jun 26, 2009 20:40:41 GMT
Sure thing, mates, but anyone who likes the finished product should give karma to Yeoldegaffer, not me. It's all thanks to his help that this is even possible. Kudos to him indeed! ;D I'll go put a respirator on my list right now... would regular glasses count for eye protection? I wear glasses, but I can get something better if necessary. Thanks for the seventy-ninth time. -Slayer |
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Post by sparky on Jun 26, 2009 23:33:50 GMT
Hey Slayer, I've got a 3M 6200/07025 respirator, never been used, if you want it I could send it down. Also have some Howard Leight QM24+ quiet semprini hearing protection, again still in the bag tho the bag is kinda ripped from riding around on my truck . Take it from someone with significant hearing loss..... PROTECT YOUR EARS. Sorry no goggles to go over glasses yet. Not trying to sell these, just given them away if you have a need. ..........Save your money for swords |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2009 2:42:57 GMT
I'll go put a respirator on my list right now... would regular glasses count for eye protection? I wear glasses, but I can get something better if necessary. No, regular eyeglasses won't work. Though I don't have them on in my avatar pic, I wear eyeglasses - have ever since the first grade but that's beside the point. Anyway, regular eyeglasses have no protection around the sides. The particles from power sanding will get in through those gaps. You have to have either prescription safety glasses with side shields (which I have) or, and this is what I recommend for you Slayer, safety glasses/goggles which can fit over your prescription glasses. Prescription safety glasses are quite expensive - my last pair cost $175 - and unless you work in industrial environments like I tend to (working at the VA hosp I do now is a pretty gravy job compared to what I normally do) it is hard to justify that much expense. However, your local hardware store should have some "fit over" safety glasses you can pick up in the $5-10 range. |
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Jun 27, 2009 3:06:37 GMT
I was going to address all these safety points but got summoned away. Anyway - yes get a good respirator. Not one of those 10 for $2 things, they don't even seal. You can use the better paper ones with the exhalation valve, and more padding around teh nose and stronger metal pincher on the nose - they're about $5 each. Still not ideal. A proper $40 job is what you want, with the cartridge filters hanging off and the silicone mask. Very kind of Sparky to offer to sort you out. Hearing: Get foam inserty ear plugs and wear them under your ear muffs as well. I do. I also pull my goggle strap over the ear muffs to press them in tight which helps as well. Goggles: I use motocross goggles. They are purpose built for keeping dust out, and stopping high speed projectiles. Good ones are good but overpriced. Cheap ones will do but they may fit poorly or the foam may need regluing. The strap can help press your ear muffs down for better sound deadening. Have a look on ebay and sort from cheapest.Gloves: The coarser grits like 40 or 60 can remove some flesh pretty fast. I used to use motocross gloves, but trashed them fast. Kevlar gloves are the best, but anything will buy you a split second and save you some skin. Grits like 120 and up are more likely to give you a second to pull away before they draw blood. Fine grits will warn you with a burn. Gloves Goggles Respirator Ear protection. Dont do anything till you have all them sorted. If you're angle grinding you can add to the list: a long sleeve cotton shirt. A leather apron. And a cotton cap to save your hair. (cotton is resitant to burning somewhat and won't melt and stick to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2009 9:18:07 GMT
That reminds me, you can increase the flame resistance of that cotton shirt by having it washed with extra fabric softener (like double the normal amount) in the wash. That's what I've been doing to save my work flannels from burn holes for years.
Again, get to a decent hardware store and talk to an associate about the safety gear and they will help get you straightened out.
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Post by sparky on Jun 27, 2009 12:48:28 GMT
Boy how I wish I had all of this advice when I was young!!! Take care of yourself now, and and your body bills won't be so bad when your over 40 . Can't imagine 40 can you Slayer? |
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Jun 27, 2009 17:18:03 GMT
Good advice, everyone! I got one of those 5$ respirators yesterday, so if that's good enough I think I'll be fine, the earplugs I have none of, so I'll see what I can do there... I already have some tough gloves I got for the purpose of sharpening swords, so those should work. Hey, Sparky. ;D Are you sure you're willing to just give those away? I'd be happy to at LEAST pay shipping, if not buy them as well. I do need the hearing protection though, so if that would work, I'll snatch it up. Oh, and yes I can imagine 40. I like to plan ahead, so I'm kind of working on planing my life to a point where I can retire at forty or fifty and spend the rest of my life playing with long, sharp, pointy objects. ;D 95 I can't imagine, likely because there's a good chance I won't live that long. ;D I'm way to much of a klutz to have good luck for 80 more years, LOL. Thanks for all the advice. I'll be starting this afternoon, but probably won't get to using the beltsander until tomorrow. I'll 'improvise' with the good ol' cotton in the ear trick for now, and I have some headphones I could wear as well. They aren't MEANT to block out sound, but it can't hurt, lol. Updates to come! -Slayer SPlEILNPG EIDT ;D |
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Jun 27, 2009 17:21:37 GMT
Oh, and just becuase I know nothing, what's angle grinding?  Thanks! -Slayer, the DIYer's worst nightmare |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2009 17:33:27 GMT
hey guys, i have been working with a guy here in San antonio who owns a wood shop, he makes tables and chairs and just recently started making traditional billy clubs for (i believe) the SAPD bike cops. anyway he has been teaching me how to make a scabbard, we showed me several he made for a few US Marine style swords, he cut out the general shape. cut that in half, then traced the blade, he used a machine to cut out the proper depth in both sides, fitted the blade then commenced to hand sand the wood into its proper size and shape, he sealed it with an industrial wood glue, then covered it with a nice finish. ill take a few pics/ i work in leather and have dabbled in scabbards before, and since the new highlander sword line offeres the duncan scabbard in leather, i guess its time to get cracken!
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Post by sparky on Jun 27, 2009 23:35:25 GMT
Oh, and just becuase I know nothing, what's angle grinding? Thanks! -Slayer, the DIYer's worst nightmare And here you go- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angle_grinder ;D These thing can be dangerousAbout the protective gear, I really don't mind! What with my work these thing are just collecting dust, it would be nice to give them to a good home And since I don't pay for them why should you ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2009 8:57:01 GMT
Uh yeah, angle grinders can be very dangerous. At one point in time a co-worker of mine was working with a pneumatic angle grinder and the cut off disk broke, while he was using the tool. A fragment of the disk hit me in the eye 30 feet away and shattered the lens of my safety glasses. I had to spend about an three hours in the ER getting pieces of polycarbonate lens removed from my eyeball. Also, the fact that the lens shattered means those safety glasses were not up to task so "caveat emptor" (let the buyer beware) when buying safety equipment.
On the other hand I've used angle grinders, cut-off tools, impact wrenches and air hammers for years without any other incident. I've hurt myself far more regularly with hand tools than power tools. Any tool deserves respect.
Sparky, you deserve a serious +1 for helping get Slayer sorted out like that.
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Jun 29, 2009 18:21:08 GMT
Yeah, that was quite kind of him. Sparky ROCKS, regardless of the fact the rock doesn't conduct electricity (sparks). We've exchanged a few PMs, and his offer is truly valiant. BTW, you guys REALLY need to check out the projects section at www.yeoldegaffers.comIt's the virtual home for our friendly forumite of the some title, and has an unbelievable amount of useful info. Kudos to him indeed! In fact, I plan on doing all but two projects; the regular uiver, just since I'm making the elven one, and the project at the bottom-right. I can't seem to remember what it's called though... weird. Oh, and I'l be starting pretty soon on the medieval scabbard. All I'm missing is the leather dye, and the leather itself! -Slayer EDIT: I had a few commas instead of perieds for some reason. Who cares, but I fixed it. ;D |
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