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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 12:33:22 GMT
Ha ha , it most probably was in the begining , always loved highlander .Since then though iv come to appreciate The katana even more though , for me its the hamon on a katana and just the way it feels in hand . This is not to say i do not appreciate other swords as well , iv just started to add one or 2 medievals to my collection , who knows maybe more chinese swords to come as the one I have really has grown on me . aragorn13, since it looks like the sword you have is a republican era collector sword, not a tourist piece (according to Garrett) use this link to get more information on it. www.chinese-swords-guide.com/contact-us.html |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2009 18:27:20 GMT
Very cool Jian you have there my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2009 4:01:49 GMT
What's special about pattern welded steel?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2009 18:40:13 GMT
I sent an email to Philip Tom with link to this thread for his opinion of real or fake
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2009 1:42:35 GMT
Discussed with Philip Tom: it's a fake.
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Post by sicheah on Aug 11, 2009 1:45:43 GMT
So it is not a Republican era reproduction sword?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2009 17:51:32 GMT
That's a good looking sword; you must be pleased.
Edited to add: how is it fake? It looks like a real sword to me. Nice patterns in the blade, too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 1:02:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 14:23:18 GMT
I'm working on the Yang 13 Saber form right now, but thanks for the thought. Once I get that form down, I'll be going to my style's broadsword form. That vid comes from the Kai Ming Association, across the pond. BTW, did you see my post with the istructions for the 32 form?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 19:40:54 GMT
I'm working on the Yang 13 Saber form right now, but thanks for the thought. Once I get that form down, I'll be going to my style's broadsword form. That vid comes from the Kai Ming Association, across the pond. BTW, did you see my post with the istructions for the 32 form? hadnt looked at the post yet, but i did get the email... very helpful ad appreciated. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2009 23:42:29 GMT
Welcome
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Post by genocideseth on Aug 13, 2009 6:18:43 GMT
Discussed with Philip Tom: it's a fake. Can you post the conversation then? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2009 13:34:47 GMT
pcalvus@gmail.com
This is Philip Tom's email, it's from contact info on the Mandarin Mansion website (Peter Dekker's company that can get repro swords and antiques as well as Chinese Bows and arrows)
Anyone interested in why this sword is fake can contact Philip and ask away. He's very friendly and helpful. I often email him links to threads and pictures on swords that I think may be fake for his opinion. Scott Rodell is another person to check with. I have not handled as many antiques as they have so I never post 'it's real or its's fake' without their opinion.
I will also not post his email response to me. It's better for interested people to correspond directly with the experts in the field.
The only way to develop this knowledge is to handle and examine antiques. I own 5 antique Jian and 6 antique dao but that pales in significance compared to the 1000's of pieces Philip and Scott have examined.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2009 16:55:09 GMT
Hold on there...what's fake? Is it a sword, or isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2009 17:10:26 GMT
That's what I am trying to work out as well ,ha ha ,feels like a real sword to me ,ha ha.At no stage did I say its an antique or anything ,I was just meerly asking opinions on the sword itself as it seems of a good quality to me ,very solid and it has very intricate details like i said Im no chinese sword expert ,not by any means as I usually collect katana .Anyhow whether this is an antique or not is really irrelavant to me ,it was left to me by family so I plan on keeping it in the family .Personally I think it is a well crafted piece ,very detailed and although Im usually not a chinese sword collector per say ,I am proud to have it amongst my collection.
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Post by sicheah on Aug 13, 2009 17:34:39 GMT
Looks like a republican era (circa 1920-30?) reproduction of a Ming dynasty sword to me. Aragon13, if it weighs like a sword and it feels like a sword, it probably is a real functional sword. Of course if someone claims it is a Ming dynasty antique, well I would be very skeptical myself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2009 5:18:43 GMT
Some 'fake antique' blades can actually be quite good.
Get some HRC hardness testing files and test the hardness on the edge and the spine. If the edge is under 50, that's too soft.
Check edge geometry to see if it's flattened diamond vs. clamshell shaped (note most 'good' modern replicas don't have clamshell shape except for Arms and Armor at the moment.)
For POB it's measured from balance point to where the guard meets the handle, if it's between 5-7" that's within historical limits for the 'average jian'.
If you are assessing the blade for it's worth as a 'real' combat ready blade, hardness, geometry, weight of overall sword and POB being correct are the important things to look for. Just because the blade is folded does not guarantee good steel.
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