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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2009 19:57:15 GMT
My friends just got back from a trip east asia and they bought this sword. I believe it to be a Kyu-gunto (proto army sword). and was just wondering about other opinions. and also if someone can translate what the tang says I would most apreciate it since sadly I can't read japanese. below are some links to the pics. here a clearer pic a the tang more pics coming soon
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2009 20:02:16 GMT
Looking forward to pics of the entire sword!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2009 20:36:56 GMT
signature on the nakago says -something- da -something- rou Give clearer pics, and i'll be able to translate it properly. Also, it looks pretty good, on first glance i don't think it's a fake, but again- better pics are of need.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2009 21:08:15 GMT
looks like a modern chinese fake to me from the kissaki shot. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2009 21:41:32 GMT
^ just noticed the kissaki shot... didn't see it before. the "hada" looks like the folds on my chinese "nihonto". Fake, indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2009 21:48:14 GMT
hada could be fudgy because of old polish. The kissaki I'm not sure off. Might be the style of Shin Gunto of the day, a more triagular (western) tip. Give a fresh polish and then post some pictures.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 0:13:54 GMT
I agree I have seen these types of swords on ebay, it is not even real folded steel it is acid etched to make it look dmasc. The kissaki is the dead give away as not japanese made blade would have a klissaki like that. It is not symetrical, I would like to see the habaki as well.
And the nakago is artifically aged as you can see blotches of ligt colored rust, if it was proto or even shin gunto there rust would be even.
My 2 cents worth
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Post by tajima on Jun 20, 2009 1:17:13 GMT
So fake it hurts.
Hope they didn't spend too much on it...
Thanks, -Tajima
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 2:28:15 GMT
Sorry their so big and if these are still not clear enough I've asked more photos of the markings
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2009 2:32:22 GMT
Yeah I thought it could be fake thought but it did look somewhat like a sword from around 1900-1915.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 12:07:50 GMT
Unfortunately, I'm inclined to agree. Real as a three dollar bill. I, too, hope they didn't spend much on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 15:10:58 GMT
That Kissaki looks really fake. Can't tell about the rest, tho.
EDIT: Getting a better camera certainly wouldn't hurt, too. The pictures, although big, are pretty blurry.
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Post by tajima on Jun 21, 2009 21:48:49 GMT
A note for you: Google a real Nihonto. I'll provide this as an example for now: www.aoi-art.com/sword/katana/image/09081-3.jpgThis blade is pretty nice, but most of all, it has a Mei. Click on the Mei picture to zoom in. Observe the actual carving. On real Nihonto, the chisel moves the steel, and shifts it in V-shapes, just like calligraphy. On yours, it is cut-out crudely. Even if you can't read it, or tell generations from one another, remember these if the blade has a Mei: 1. Look out for tapering 'V' shaped strokes, these are good. 2. The steel is moved, not cut away. 3. The strokes are not jagged. 4. The placement of the Mei - unless the blade is cut-down (suriage), it should not have a hole through it or be half missing. Of course, it could just be a Gimei or attributed signature, which means the blade may still have some value - but with something like the one in the topic, you can tell anyway. Plus, in the close-ups of the Nakago, you can see the fake patina because the lacquer or paint they slather over it has dried too fast and cracked...real patina will never have cracks, unless the Nakago itself is cracked. Thanks, -Tajima
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 23:25:42 GMT
The tang did looked to be shortend when I examined it
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Post by slav on Jun 22, 2009 4:50:08 GMT
It's fake. Don't bother spending any time or money investigating it further. Still a neat souvenir, I suppose (at least better than a t-shirt that says "I <3 EAST ASIA" or something like that )...
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Post by tajima on Jun 22, 2009 6:26:58 GMT
Not shortened, my friend, just not shaped...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 6:40:03 GMT
i'd give it the file test to see if it's real folded steel or just etched.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 22, 2009 6:50:51 GMT
How would a file tell you if it's folded or not?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2009 7:15:28 GMT
file a bit under the habaki (with a fine file), sand it out a bit, etch with vinigar. If the patterns re-appear, it's folded. Another good way is to look at the nakago. if the patterns appear there, it's likely to be folded. most of the etched blades come with a "clear" nakago.
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Post by randomnobody on Jun 22, 2009 13:45:03 GMT
file a bit under the habaki (with a fine file), sand it out a bit, etch with vinigar. If the patterns re-appear, it's folded. Another good way is to look at the nakago. if the patterns appear there, it's likely to be folded. most of the etched blades come with a "clear" nakago. Luckily we're quite certain this thing has no value or I might have felt a need to slap you for suggesting that. Mind, on a patinated nakago, not much hada shows; even on shinsakuto all you can really make out is the file marks and mei. Of course, if you want to sand this thing down and etch it, be my guest. I doubt you'll find anything of note by doing so. Even if the steel was folded (very bizarre pattern) that doesn't mean the blade is any good. Somebody got ripped off, the end.
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