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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2009 7:08:29 GMT
Do they make shields with a scabbard built in them?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2009 14:35:37 GMT
Not that I've ever seen, historically.
*grins* Though come to think of it, I could see the scarab shield with a scabbard for a machete. In case of the zombie apocalypse, just grab and go.
*ahem*..back on topic.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 15:57:13 GMT
I often wondered this too- I saw 'Achilles' draw his sword from behind his shield arm (with the shield already situated on his arm so it appeared he drew it from somewhere on the back of the shield's face...maybe an integral loop? - I know it looked cool. Probably would have to be a sword as long or shorter than the shield itself.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 8:13:26 GMT
hell I'd do it with a sword longer than the shield... maybe a rapier and a buckler?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 12:50:08 GMT
I wonder if the weight of the scabbard would add significantly to the bearer's rate of fatigue onset. Even a pound or so would add up quickly, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 19:27:33 GMT
a leather scabbard then? even just a clip to hold it in place?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2009 23:46:18 GMT
some kind of "loops" on the backside of the shield. i dont think a sheath would weigh anywhere near close to a pound. and c'mon its just one pound freaking work out or something, haha. i wear a belt buckle every day that weighs six pounds. On my crotch. its big enough to use as a small buckler and has a special hand grip on the back of it. made it in shop class when i was 15.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 2:58:36 GMT
Adding extra weight to your crotch is different than adding extra weight to something you have to hold out in front of yourself for prolonged amounts of time to keep yourself protected.
Besides, there's no advantage whatsoever to storing your scabbard on your shield.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 9:39:36 GMT
It's not exactly useless idea either... what I envision, one can unsheathe the sword with the shield in front of the person in defensive stance... now for me with no sword/martial arts training that seems like it could be useful
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 12:32:47 GMT
I don't get it.
You can hold the shield in front of you while drawing the sword from its normal position.
In order to draw a sword from the shield, you'd probably have to shift the position of the shield, and thus put your arm into a different position, which has the possibility of compromising its defensive ability because your arm isn't positioned to absorb force as effectively as it should be.
Also, the scabbard would be getting in the way. If the arm is positioned on top of the scabbard, that makes a pressure-point against your arm during impacts. Plus if it's a wood scabbard, it'll be destroyed. If the scabbard is positioned over the arm, so your arm slides underneath, the shield would have to be very curved or domed to fit your arm under it, and you'd still be less able to hold the shield effectively against your body.
And the scabbard would have to be mounted in a relatively permanent fashion. A temporary fixture, that can be easily removed in the field, is a waste of time. You'd have to spend the time to remove the scabbard, and put it somewhere out of the way for replacing your sword later on.
With the scabbard on your hip, it's in a natural position to draw and the scabbard doesn't hinder your ability to defend yourself.
Seriously, it has no purpose. Making up excuses isn't going to make it a functional idea, you're just running after a "cool factor" which makes no sense from a utilitarian standpoint.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 13:24:36 GMT
i wear a belt buckle every day that weighs six pounds. On my crotch. LOL. Was thinking of a very short lever.... ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 13:40:44 GMT
fine you win, but you didn't have to completely burst the bubble man!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 13:58:23 GMT
It's not about winning and losing, I'm just pointing out that it's not as good an idea as you've come to believe.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 14:07:34 GMT
I'm sure that only quelled his initial ardor...if he really wants it, he'll find a way to do it. Besides, you needn't change the position of the shield if the hilt is at the top- but thats why I figured a shortsword would work well in this case, like a gladius, its short enough to deploy in close quarters and if its sheathed in front of the shield arm but behind the shield, a shortsword could be brought into play without changing position.
Might not be 'as good an idea' as you say, but its definitely doable.
Let's face it, if we always followed status quo and never ventured out to try something new, we'd all still be in breech chouts fighting with sticks and rocks.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 15:00:16 GMT
ya ya! now where the hell does one get a kite shield?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 17:58:42 GMT
Wherever you like. They can be had on eBay, there are other suppliers, you can check SCA sites if you're looking for tougher stuff; LARP for the cos-play stuff. MRL sells a couple of kite shields too- one as a Templar and another unpainted/unadorned. Think they have another called a Bayeux shield which is the closest I've seen to the rounded top ones.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 18:55:23 GMT
yea i will agree that wearing six pounds on ur middle is completely diffrerent than on a shield arm, my only point was, every day i wear anywhere 15-20 pounds of metal including a little over a foot of big link steel chain with a padlock on it weighs about 5-6 pounds around my neck, another 6 lbs or so on my crotch (belt buckle), and 4-5 pounds of steel toe doc's that almost come to my knee. thats a relaxed day. i have some bigger chains that are heavier. it has strengthened my neck alot. i have weighted wrist bands and ankle weights too, but ive gotten lazy and havent worn them in a while. used to wear them everywhere. train in it. work out in it. when i dont have my boots on i cant play hacky-sack because i literally cant time my kicks to hit it at the right time, i kick like 3 times before the hacky is anywhere close to my foot. its like i kick too fast and the hack is falling slower. either way, i dont think a scabbard on the back of a shield is a bad idea, just have a short sword, like a gladius or a big fighting knife like a dirk. i would just have it there as a last resort puller outer, i carry alot of small handweapons that dont weigh much like throwing axes and a good mace on my hip, pulling the hand weps out when my claymore would either be unswingable/trapped/disarmed. out comes the mace, or one of my basket hilts. having something small on the back of a shield is a great idea, especially if you get disarmed your opponent may believe he has you bacause all you have is your shield, and when he moves in to get you, you gank him instead with your hidden ganking shield blade of suprising death. ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 19:39:44 GMT
never thought of it like that... thats even better!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 20:33:56 GMT
i have a round shield which i have attached my sax to permantly. now a sax isnt a sword but its long enough to be usefull. i made the shield from 7 ply with a metal edge. for me its not that heavy and i can carry it on my back when not in use.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2009 3:01:24 GMT
do you have a pic?
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