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Post by Brendan Olszowy on May 16, 2008 4:36:47 GMT
Here's a clip i took from the Nat Geo Perfect Weapon TV series. I thought it was pretty cool. It's a flubbed cut with a CAS Iberia Witham River. You can see that the edge is not aligned on approach.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2008 5:40:56 GMT
Wow...thats pretty bad. I hope they didn't give it bad marks because the user had no idea what he was doing...
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Post by randomnobody on May 16, 2008 6:28:29 GMT
Wow, that was a horrid effort at cutting. What exactly were they trying to cut, anyway? It looks like nothing I'd put a sword against... Not only was the edge not anywhere near aligned, the guy's hand just twists on impact and torques things even worse. I'd say the sword made it out exceptionally well with just that much of a set. Look at the waves it makes.
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Post by admin on May 16, 2008 8:01:04 GMT
Interesting slap-cut technique going on there... Poor sword - his edge alignment started ok, but then he seemed to drop it down at the last second and completely lost his grip. Some serious shockwave action going on, very interesting to watch. +1
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on May 16, 2008 8:45:58 GMT
Yeah the form is awful. It's like he has no grip on the sword at all, like he's just thrown the blow.
Watching Perfect Weapon, which is a fantastic series though created by rank amateurs, you see some horrendous handling of swords. They twist it right round at the point of impact, and all sorts of other wierd handling which bears no consciousness to edge alignment. It's like they aren't even thinking of cutting.
Though there is one tremendous bit where they cut down into a pig carcass, and it really puts it in perspective. I might go and snatch that bit to show you.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on May 16, 2008 11:12:49 GMT
Here you go - this one goes a little better.
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Post by ShooterMike on May 16, 2008 14:41:19 GMT
I have to respectfully disagree with the thoughts on the first video. If you watch it very closely it seems like the edge alignment is only 2-3 degrees off at impact with what looks like a rack of pork backstrap&ribs. That would be a perfect target for swords, if somewhat easy since they don't have any clothing as a cover. (Yummy, pork spare ribs and backstrap... pre-tenderized. ) The big roll occurs after impact. That's what usually happens anytime you get slight misalignment with a reasonably heavy target, if you could actually see it in super slow motion. IMO a really good sword should be able to handle a somewhat misaligned cut like that. I know I've made worse cuts than that without obvious damage to the sword.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on May 16, 2008 15:21:48 GMT
I dunno mike, I went through it frame by frame and I reckon he impacts at about 10 - 15 degrees off line. I think it was Firehand's Dad... I lose it laughing whenever I watch this... ;D
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Post by ShooterMike on May 16, 2008 16:15:27 GMT
LOL at the "FireHand's Dad" comment!
OK, I re-reviewed the footage frame-by-frame. At the point of initial contact... you're right that it was well in excess of 2-3 degrees. The guy seems to be making a rolling motion with his wrist into the cut like he was striking with a tennis racket, and has a pretty loose grip too. But still, I've flubbed cuts as bad or worse than this, against solid wooden cutting stands. It didn't do that kind of damage to good swords.
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Post by YlliwCir on May 16, 2008 18:35:36 GMT
I've thought about getting a Casi blade from time to time, I reckon not, tho that was a bad cut, like Mike said I've done worse without that kind of damage. Hey, good to see Al doin well, eh? ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2008 20:10:20 GMT
If you're cutting something like that it's not excusable for the blade to take a permanent bend like that.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2008 4:26:21 GMT
Wow the form of these guys is just off full stop, that second video, the guy looked like he was trying to cut with an axe rather than a sword and as for the first video *shudder*
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2008 0:31:58 GMT
I dunno mike, I went through it frame by frame and I reckon he impacts at about 10 - 15 degrees off line. I think it was Firehand's Dad... I lose it laughing whenever I watch this... ;D LOL A new game has been invented. Sword/Bottle/Treestump Sword cuts bottle Bottle covers trees tump Tree stump bends sword
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2008 5:40:22 GMT
A lesson to be learned:
Choose the right target..
ensure proper edge alignment...
choose a sword that can handle non-aligned cuts..
AND FINALLY...
If all of these things DO go wrong, be kind to yourself and don't post the video online! haha
Some poetry to accompany the video:
Here is a story about a man of might, He practiced daily to win a sword fight.
Then one day his swing went low, A bent up sword, and his face lost its glow.
The lesson here that cannot be ignored: "Don't slap your enemy with the side of a sword."
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2008 0:16:16 GMT
That's depressing. I really liked the look of the Witham too, but now seeing how thin and wobbly the blade is, I just don't know. Was this the new version made in China? Or the old Philipino one? Also looks like a case of bad tempering.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on May 25, 2008 3:06:01 GMT
Probably the old Philipino one, being that the show would have been made some time ago. I have high hopes for the new CAS swords made bu Hanwei.
I have an old Iberia Kriss Sword. It was not battle ready. The tang held fast, but the blade was very bendy. Just glad I got it at the right price.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2008 16:57:20 GMT
That's depressing. I really liked the look of the Witham too, but now seeing how thin and wobbly the blade is, I just don't know. Was this the new version made in China? Or the old Philipino one? Also looks like a case of bad tempering. I think its more a case of bad cutting, I spent quite a while laughing at this one ;D
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