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Post by Drunk Merchant on Dec 14, 2023 19:47:30 GMT
I left it in a dryer and it shrank. All jokes aside the Colt Pocket Hammerless was also well used in both world wars and it’s a fine gun.
It’s also on average much cheaper than a world war era 1911.
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Post by tera on Dec 15, 2023 0:22:47 GMT
I remember having a few of those come and go through our store. Interesting pieces of History. There always seems to be demand for them, too.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Dec 15, 2023 3:14:48 GMT
I remember having a few of those come and go through our store. Interesting pieces of History. There always seems to be demand for them, too. I’m glad they went to people who like them, they’re really good looking and dripping with history. The handling isn’t bad either.
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Post by seth on Dec 15, 2023 16:47:49 GMT
Very cool. The title made me think of this oldie:
BCS DECLARES GERMANY WINNER OF WORLD WAR II US Ranked 4th
After determining the Big-12 championship game participants the BCS computers were put to work on other major contests and today the BCS declared Germany to be the winner of World War II.
"Germany put together an incredible number of victories beginning with the annexation of Austria and the Sudetenland and continuing on into conference play with defeats of Poland, France, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and the Netherlands. Their only losses came against the US and Russia; however considering their entire body of work--including an incredibly tough Strength of Schedule--our computers deemed them worthy of the #1 ranking."
Questioned about the #4 ranking of the United States the BCS commissioner stated "The US only had two major victories-- Japan and Germany . The computer models, unlike humans, aren't influenced by head-to-head contests--they consider each contest to be only a single, equally-weighted event."
German Chancellor Adolph Hitler said "Yes, we lost to the US ; but we defeated #2 ranked France in only 6 weeks." Herr Hitler has been criticized for seeking dramatic victories to earn 'style points' to enhance Germany 's rankings. Hitler protested "Our contest with Poland was in doubt until the final day and the conditions in Norway were incredibly challenging and demanded the application of additional forces."
The French ranking has also come under scrutiny. The BCS commented " France had a single loss against Germany and following a preseason #1 ranking they only fell to #2."
Japan was ranked #3 with victories including Manchuria, Borneo and the Philippines.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Dec 15, 2023 19:07:33 GMT
The good news is it looks like computers won’t be taking our jobs any time soon. Very good thing wars don’t get won like sport championships tho.
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Post by izzy on Dec 16, 2023 18:53:09 GMT
As nice as the Colt hammerless is I would nominate the P-08 or the 1911 for that spot, as they were issued in larger numbers in both wars and were better for the intended purpose. I don't discount smaller calibers, esp. for civilian use, but in war every bit helps.
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Post by Drunk Merchant on Dec 16, 2023 19:24:11 GMT
No disagreement on the 1911, it’s what the two time champion meme revolves around. Calling the 1903 the champion was bait and switch, although being used heavily by the Belgians (in wwi), commonwealth, and American OSS and senior officers means it’s technically true. P-08 Can’t be a champion tho as it’s technically a two time loser (no fault of its own tho).
I’ll say I’d rather conceal carry the 1903 than a 1911. Yeah 11 is much stronger but have fun making sure nobody can tell you have a gun on you. Like you said, same personal defense niche modern 380 pocket guns serve. It’s also now and then a cheaper, less skill intensive gun to use than the 1911.
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Post by tera on Dec 17, 2023 2:20:49 GMT
FWIW, I have successfully and lawfully conceal carried a 1911 in all 4 Seasons. It's not easy, and the holster can get you sweaty (leather/kydex hybrid tuckable) but it can be done.
Do I still do this? No, other platforms and holster combos are more practical and comfortable. It was kind of to prove a point when I was younger.
The 1903 would be a bit more concealable, but still heavy for what it is.
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Post by izzy on Dec 17, 2023 5:53:56 GMT
No disagreement on the 1911, it’s what the two time champion meme revolves around. Calling the 1903 the champion was bait and switch, although being used heavily by the Belgians (in wwi), commonwealth, and American OSS and senior officers means it’s technically true. P-08 Can’t be a champion tho as it’s technically a two time loser (no fault of its own tho). I’ll say I’d rather conceal carry the 1903 than a 1911. Yeah 11 is much stronger but have fun making sure nobody can tell you have a gun on you. Like you said, same personal defense niche modern 380 pocket guns serve. It’s also now and then a cheaper, less skill intensive gun to use than the 1911. Had my share of .380, it was the first caliber I ever shot. For civilian use .32 in a DA/SA PPK is my favorite for a small firearm, and the smallest that I would trust with defense with hotter European FMJ. Not used in WWI, so outside of your parameters. (Please no "bond" references, that's just silly fiction.)
When I talk "champion" I am talking design and function, as well as build quality. Certainly the Hammerless wins in the carry area over the P-08, being able to be "cocked and Locked" means you can carry one in the chamber. Not as big a deal on the battlefield, but huge for civilian purposes. If we must combine the world wars to find the best HG for military use, I would the the P-08 over the .380 just for the fixed barrel and caliber advantage. I would pick the 1911 for caliber advantage, and cocked and locked carry, despite them being spot hardened back then.
I speak from only a design and use in warfare perspective. In truth, A lot of German military arms really started to go down quality wise as the war progressed, like using case hardened 1030 ( if memory serves correct) for Mauser receivers, slave labor for the DA/SA P-38 ( inc. sabotage for no extra cost) and loose tolerances as well. No love for me here for WWII Germany.
Despite it being a Modified anti-tank weapon that did the job, the older and smaller Caliber 7.65mm X 17, the Colt's model 1903, played a small defensive role in the of elimination of SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich:
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Post by izzy on Dec 17, 2023 6:12:10 GMT
FWIW, I have successfully and lawfully conceal carried a 1911 in all 4 Seasons. It's not easy, and the holster can get you sweaty (leather/kydex hybrid tuckable) but it can be done. Do I still do this? No, other platforms and holster combos are more practical and comfortable. It was kind of to prove a point when I was younger. The 1903 would be a bit more concealable, but still heavy for what it is.
For optimal SD an HG should have a bit of weight, and a decent sized barrel for velocity. I've shot the mini's like the P-32 and they are difficult for accurate follow up shots.
I also carried a 1911, even a heavy full sized Gamba as a licensed CCW when younger. There is a "sweet spot" for weight, size, and caliber. These days a mid size DA/SA 9mm ( sadly) with a plastic frame checks the boxes for me ( weight, capacity, caliber, accuracy, reasonable velocity, quick follow up, etc.).
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