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Post by Zwilnik on Jun 14, 2021 0:00:55 GMT
I'm getting drawn into the exotic weapons thing and I was wondering if anyone knows where to purchase a shark tooth leiomano and/or war clubs, and how much they usually run? Thanks.
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Post by Zwilnik on Jun 14, 2021 2:17:16 GMT
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Post by Murffy on Jun 14, 2021 3:22:54 GMT
I suspect it would be unpleasant to get hit with that.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 14, 2021 12:18:47 GMT
That looks wicked. The more I thought about it I began to question the effectiveness if used as a weapon in most cultures today. When that was used in Hawaii in its day there wasn’t much clothing to protect one. Today in most cultures one wears more clothing. I see that war club either not penetrating or getting entangled there in. That would certainly make a good conversational or display piece.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 14, 2021 13:21:50 GMT
That looks wicked. The more I thought about it I began to question the effectiveness if used as a weapon in most cultures today. When that was used in Hawaii in its day there wasn’t much clothing to protect one. Today in most cultures one wears more clothing. I see that war club either not penetrating or getting entangled there in. That would certainly make a good conversational or display piece. I don't think it's meant to cut anyways, at least not like a macahuitl or steel sword. More of a blunt weapon with penetrating spikes. And I think the result will be the same with or without clothing.
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Post by mrbadexample on Jun 14, 2021 13:23:31 GMT
That looks wicked. The more I thought about it I began to question the effectiveness if used as a weapon in most cultures today. When that was used in Hawaii in its day there wasn’t much clothing to protect one. Today in most cultures one wears more clothing. I see that war club either not penetrating or getting entangled there in. That would certainly make a good conversational or display piece. I think, if these are used similarly to the Maori patu, it might be somewhat more effective than we might suspect. The patu is often used to deliver thrusts to the face. The result is like getting a shovel to the bridge of the nose. Put good body weight and mechanics behind that, and it gets nasty. I see that the teeth on this example leave that wedge shaped tip clear enough to pull off that strike. The shark teeth on the side would make grappling and forearm strikes unpleasant. I’d be very interested to know if there is a preserved fighting system that incorporates these.
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Post by mrbadexample on Jun 14, 2021 13:27:52 GMT
That said, I have a skinny example of a shark tooth “club” that my parents picked up for me in Kiribati in the 90’s that is very clearly ornamental. I wouldn’t want to get hit with it the same way I wouldn’t want to brush up on my rose bush. Annoying and worth avoiding? Sure. Dangerous? No.
I wonder where the line between weapon and ornament lies with these.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Jun 14, 2021 14:29:28 GMT
That said, I have a skinny example of a shark tooth “club” that my parents picked up for me in Kiribati in the 90’s that is very clearly ornamental. I wouldn’t want to get hit with it the same way I wouldn’t want to brush up on my rose bush. Annoying and worth avoiding? Sure. Dangerous? No. I wonder where the line between weapon and ornament lies with these. Probably about the same line where a stick goes from a welt-raiser to a bone breaker or skull cracker.
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Post by mrbadexample on Jun 14, 2021 15:58:52 GMT
That said, I have a skinny example of a shark tooth “club” that my parents picked up for me in Kiribati in the 90’s that is very clearly ornamental. I wouldn’t want to get hit with it the same way I wouldn’t want to brush up on my rose bush. Annoying and worth avoiding? Sure. Dangerous? No. I wonder where the line between weapon and ornament lies with these. Probably about the same line where a stick goes from a welt-raiser to a bone breaker or skull cracker. Probably about right. The shark teeth would be incidental at that point.
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Post by treeslicer on Jun 14, 2021 17:27:32 GMT
I'm getting drawn into the exotic weapons thing and I was wondering if anyone knows where to purchase a shark tooth leiomano and/or war clubs, and how much they usually run? Thanks. Some ideas about materials:
Now go get busy!
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Post by Zwilnik on Jun 20, 2021 21:33:03 GMT
Awesome find. Thanks for sharing that link.
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Post by pellius on Jun 21, 2021 23:59:23 GMT
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Post by pgandy on Jun 22, 2021 0:34:52 GMT
Norton antivirus popped up saying “Scam insight: Personal information at risk” FWIW. I don’t know if it’s a false reading or not.
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Post by pellius on Jun 22, 2021 1:00:01 GMT
Hmm. It didn’t do that to me, but that doesn’t really mean much. I’ve bought a few items from this guy over the past couple of years with no problems at all. I don’t know if his website is having issues, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 1:45:13 GMT
I've stepped on a shark tooth necklace. Severed a tendon in my toe lol. Dunno why they wouldn't sand it down first
Anyway a club of them would suck to be hit with. Would probably tear up skin in a very painful way. A clean cut you might not feel right away, and keep fighting but you will feel that club
As for Norton antivirus, they do that when the website is of unknown origin. Maybe he used a low budget server to make his website or something. In other words, it's probably nothing
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Post by pgandy on Jun 22, 2021 11:58:45 GMT
As for Norton antivirus, they do that when the website is of unknown origin. Maybe he used a low budget server to make his website or something. In other words, it's probably nothing As I said it could be a false reading. As a backup “safe web search”, still a Norton product, normally shows green with a white check in another place showed red with a ‘!’. Normally I get a gray box with ‘?’ for the unknown. But as I said it could be a false reading, just passing it along FWIW.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Jul 5, 2021 4:28:55 GMT
That looks wicked. The more I thought about it I began to question the effectiveness if used as a weapon in most cultures today. When that was used in Hawaii in its day there wasn’t much clothing to protect one. Today in most cultures one wears more clothing. I see that war club either not penetrating or getting entangled there in. That would certainly make a good conversational or display piece. I think, if these are used similarly to the Maori patu, it might be somewhat more effective than we might suspect. The patu is often used to deliver thrusts to the face. The result is like getting a shovel to the bridge of the nose. Put good body weight and mechanics behind that, and it gets nasty. I see that the teeth on this example leave that wedge shaped tip clear enough to pull off that strike. The shark teeth on the side would make grappling and forearm strikes unpleasant. I’d be very interested to know if there is a preserved fighting system that incorporates these. I actually do a little Hawaiian Lua. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapu_KuialuaThe only shark tooth weapons we use are basically knuckle dusters (with the shark teeth along the knuckle section) and a wooden spike for a "blade" - think like a WWI trench dagger. I've only seen them demonstrated once, but the techniques my teacher showed that used the tooth edge were exclusively slicing and cutting. There were strikes with the blunt wooden pommel or stabs with the wood blade/spike though. From what I remember the cuts were meant to disable and annoy (which is kind of necessitated by the shallowness of a cut produced by a shark tooth that's only about an inch or so long), setting you up for blunt strikes with the pommel or penetrating stabs with the spike. Instead of swinging to cut, you drag the teeth against the target (like a draw cut). I imagine you could still do serious damage with shallow cuts that target arteries, tendons, etc.
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