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Post by sydonia on Mar 31, 2019 1:34:09 GMT
Good evening everyone.
I know this is probably a far stretch, but I wanted to try to find out more information about a sword that I've inherited. It's obviously a Masonic sword, from the Pettibone Bros Mfg Co, and has his name etched on the side of the blade (Lorenzo D Perry) but beyond that, I have no idea as to anything about it, or my great grandfather.
If anyone has any good contacts, or resources, or needs pictures, please let me know. I'd love to be able to inform my grandfather more about it, before I lose the chance to.
Thanks!
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Post by pgandy on Mar 31, 2019 1:49:07 GMT
Photos, photos, where are the photos?
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Post by sydonia on Mar 31, 2019 1:56:26 GMT
Attached are pictures. Now, I do understand, since I know nothing about this, that it may not be 100% legit. But again, just trying to find out information to pass to my grandfather about his dad  |
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Post by pgandy on Mar 31, 2019 6:35:37 GMT
Pretty sword in fine condition but I can’t offer much more information other than Perry was not the manufacturer but the owner at one time. Appears to be a fraternal sword. Perhaps someone with more knowledge will chime in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 9:15:43 GMT
It is indeed a Masonic sword. There are a number of Pettibone Bros Mfg Co threads regarding somewhat similar quests for information. More specifically, it is a 30th degree Knights Kadosh sword, the first level of the Masonic Knights Templar. The Kadosh swords differ from the mainly found 31st-33rd degree Freemasons Templar swords and the regular swords below the 30th degree. Other uniform parts, bits and jewels differ for a Kadosh as well. I'd be lying if I could rattle off much more without quoting my older Pettibone remarks or hitting a few books for dates and examples to share. Truly, the best way to date it is to research the name Lorenzo D Perry and associate his life with Freemasonry. Sometimes listed in obits, etc. The available and fairly inexpensive current bible is gunandswordcollector.com/product/american-fraternal-sword/So Knights Kadosh www.mdscottishrite.org/degrees/council-of-kadosh/www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/md31.htmMost quickly advance to the 31st degree, hence this sword is a bit less common. Lots to find on the sword and regalia business begun in the latter end of the 19th century. As of a posting I made elsewhere in 2009, they were still an active business Company: Pettibone Brothers Mfg Co Address: 2605 Burnet Ave Cincinnati, OH 45219-2502 United States Phone: 513-961-3737 Fax: 513-221-1097 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 9:33:49 GMT
Here is a quick possible but I know nothing of the sword's life. Where did it surface? Where are you posting from? Was it in any family histories?
NAME: Lorenzo D Perry
BIRTH: 2 Aug 1894
DEAD: 9 Feb 1962
ADDRESS: Los Angeles, CA
BIRTH PLACE: Arkansas
MOTHER MAIDEN: Wade
If that is the man, figure post WWI for the sword's date.
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Post by sydonia on Apr 1, 2019 3:15:08 GMT
I haven't forgotten this. Tomorrow, I'm going to call my grandfather to find out more info about his dad, especially his birth date and day of death. I will say, my last name is Perry, so this has become a family heirloom. My grandfather wanted to keep it in the family.
From the handle, it looks like the K T 30, out of Buffalo New York?
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 1, 2019 3:21:35 GMT
I always wanted to get a functional one of these swords made. I love the styling
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 5:38:53 GMT
I always wanted to get a functional one of these swords made. I love the styling The precursor to these were militia swords. The broader and shorter blades are quite functional. After the American Civil War, they became more a piece of dress and station. The later swords still have heat treated blades but meant as a dress piece. There were many groups that wore swords.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 5:53:58 GMT
I haven't forgotten this. Tomorrow, I'm going to call my grandfather to find out more info about his dad, especially his birth date and day of death. I will say, my last name is Perry, so this has become a family heirloom. My grandfather wanted to keep it in the family. From the handle, it looks like the K T 30, out of Buffalo New York? I've neglected to look in the book but the 30 on the grip and the pommel shape kind of points to it being a 30th degree Kadosh sword. If there is a "Post #30" and "Buffalo NY" etched on the blade, I may be mistaken. If the sword was his father's certainly hang onto it and do followup on the genealogy aspect of research the individual. Perry is a common surname and the families of such quite expansive in the colonies. Perry families in New Hampshire back to the 1600s. The one hit that was a quick find also showed a couple of other Lorenzo D Perry. One born before the civil war (in his thirties during the 1860s) and an older hit in the 1700s. An edit to add that the GERMANY stamped at the base of the blade puts it at no earlier than 1887. Another edit regarding degrees, as I am not a Freemason. There are three levels of basic Masonry apprentice, fellow, master. Knights Templar groups are degrees over hat third degree, which makes my first comments jumbled. The degrees of knights go to the 33rd (then often Shriners) but anyway the 30th degree for a Kadosh or Grand Inspector (not the first degree of knights see first link). So that makes it the sword of an important man. |
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Post by Ifrit on Apr 2, 2019 20:32:38 GMT
I always wanted to get a functional one of these swords made. I love the styling The precursor to these were militia swords. The broader and shorter blades are quite functional. After the American Civil War, they became more a piece of dress and station. The later swords still have heat treated blades but meant as a dress piece. There were many groups that wore swords. Thank you for informing me. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one of these |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 21:27:44 GMT
I'm still not sitting with the fraternal book yet but from my files, here are some images. From the Time Life Civil War books series   Kady Brownell, local history to me in the littlest big state of the union was given an example she wore throughout the rest of the war smallstatebighistory.com/kady-brownell-civil-war-vivandiere/ An extensive thread Tim Graham and I developed over the past several years on the militia swords. I am Glen C. www.swordforum.com/vb4/showthread.php?104816-Early-Ames-And-Other-s-Militia-NCO-PatternsThere were also many fancier Centurion and Knight helmet pommel officer's swords during the 1840s-1860s with broad blades. These all do still turn up on eBay. Dealers tend to mark them up. I have posted of these in the past |
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Post by Matt Darr on Nov 17, 2019 23:27:18 GMT
I've also obtained a sword not sure about it but it has Pettibone Bros Mfg Cin Good evening everyone. I know this is probably a far stretch, but I wanted to try to find out more information about a sword that I've inherited. It's obviously a Masonic sword, from the Pettibone Bros Mfg Co, and has his name etched on the side of the blade (Lorenzo D Perry) but beyond that, I have no idea as to anything about it, or my great grandfather. If anyone has any good contacts, or resources, or needs pictures, please let me know. I'd love to be able to inform my grandfather more about it, before I lose the chance to. Thanks! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 2:10:13 GMT
Welcome
Rather than playing twenty questions, the more that you can share, including pictures, the more readily answers can be offered. Join this group and use the attachment feature or upload to a host and then share here.
It reads as though you have a sword. There is an incredible amount of information accessed through any search engine for the Pettibone Manufacturing Co. You might also run an image search for the name and see a sword just like yours.
Cheers
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Post by Chris Rehfuss on Dec 28, 2019 5:05:34 GMT
Pretty sword in fine condition but I can’t offer much more information other than Perry was not the manufacturer but the owner at one time. Appears to be a fraternal sword. Perhaps someone with more knowledge will chime in. I also have a sword very much like this but the name is Otis Adams and I inherited the sword from my grandfather. I would like more info on this being that I have no idea who Otis Adams is. My grandfather was Curtis Marshall. |
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Post by Toughcookie on Aug 17, 2020 23:39:04 GMT
I've aquired a pettibone bros sword at a garage sale. I've read up on the company history but am not able to find much.
My sword is in great condition. It's not sharp in the least and was obviously used for some ceremony or dressing up. It has an illuminati eye on the hilt and it says Walter Dale on one side of the blade. On the other side of the blade it has what I'm assuming is an acronym for something. The uppercase letters G or C, I can't tell which, O, O, H, F; G.H.O.O.F; or C.H.O.O.F. I can't tell which. On the blade design it also has three arrows wrapped in a ribbon, an axe threaded through a chain, and a serpent on a cross. Just wondering if anybody knew anything about this particular sword or its owner or basically anything about it. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 0:36:11 GMT
Welcome aboard Most likey the Independent Order of Odd Fellows odd-fellows.org/Does the chain have three links? Upload the images to imgur.com and share the link or use the bb tags Cheers GC |
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Post by Ted Ondrak on Dec 7, 2020 18:23:32 GMT
Hello, I am new to your site but would love to find out some information re my Pettibone Bros. sword. I am sending pictures of the sword as soon as I can figure out how.
Thank you.
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Post by pgandy on Dec 7, 2020 23:28:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 23:53:12 GMT
This is only half true. Yes, to upload directly, one needs to register but anyone can add images from a third party host. |
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