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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2006 1:43:52 GMT
Rammstein, Just thinking aloud, surely this boar sword would not fit into any scabbard, or any wall hangers since the crossbars would be getting in the way; if so, how would its owner store such sword? Curious Larry
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Post by rammstein on Dec 14, 2006 1:45:54 GMT
Agreed about the scabbard...
erm...Stores it in the body of the dead boar ;D? jk, jk.
Possibly display, I doubt a scabbard is needed for something like this.
Youre right a scabbard would be pretty impractical.
And thanks for the pms, its always nice to know that one's comments are appreciated.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 14, 2006 1:49:34 GMT
@ shootermike.
boar hunting traditional ways are probably almost nonexistant, though I'm sure others still do it despite its lack of popularity. PETA is probably all over that...
It would be the same as hunting a deer with a bow (non-compound of course.)
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Post by ShooterMike on Dec 14, 2006 2:51:54 GMT
Well...not exactly. PETA hasn't really gotten involved with this kind of thing. And they really wouldn't be able to get much traction. Wild boar are proliferating out of control in the southern and southwestern US. Just about all the affected state wildlife agencies have pretty much declared them a pest that should be killed on sight. With this population growth it has become possible to find them in numbers that allow for the use of medieval weapons. There are a few guides that specialize in this type of hunting with dogs and spears/swords/knives. An Internet search will likely reveal several that advertise. As far as the comparison to using a traditional bow on deer, well...maybe. But then again we are talking about a contact distance encounter with a 200-400 lb. irate beastie. He'll be wearing an inch or more of very tough armor. And he always carrys a quartet of very sharp 3-4 inch long ivory knives that he's had the good fortune to train with since birth.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 14, 2006 3:27:33 GMT
very informative, thanks shootermike!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2006 3:51:48 GMT
Hi Draegon, You may want to refer to the below-mentioned link for a pix of the original 'German Hunting Saber' (scroll down to the bottom-most posting by 'Nathan Robinson'): www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=7854Larry Thanks for that. I saw it earlier. It still doesn't change my opinion. If I were to go hunting, especially boar, I'd want something like what Rammstein posted at my side. L.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 14, 2006 20:40:00 GMT
a thought jsut came to me:
Maybe this sabre wasn't actually used to KILL the bull but rather to skin it or cut it into smaller...chunks (for lack of a better word). Is this possible?
I say this because, with a sword, your only real hope of piercing think armour was with a thrust. A sabre was more designed for the cut and therefore a more spear-shaped sword (like that hunting sword I posted) would do the job better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2006 20:52:17 GMT
Rammstien, that boarsword is very interesting. I have never seen anything like it. Thanks forposting the picture.
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Post by ShooterMike on Dec 15, 2006 4:22:47 GMT
a thought jsut came to me: Maybe this sabre wasn't actually used to KILL the bull but rather to skin it or cut it into smaller...chunks (for lack of a better word). Is this possible? I say this because, with a sword, your only real hope of piercing think armour was with a thrust. A sabre was more designed for the cut and therefore a more spear-shaped sword (like that hunting sword I posted) would do the job better. Good guess. But it wouldn't be very handy for the job. A good SHARP drop point knife with a 3-5 inch blade is the best thing for the job. Hunting hangers were used for the killing stroke, but mostly for deer. Used less frequently on hogs. However, apparently a katana makes a decent wild hog killing instrument, if these posts are accurate. (And I'm sure they are, or these guys would be out of business) www.a-wild-boar-hog-hunting-florida-guide-service.com/sword-hunting.htmThis story is quite interesting. I don't know the timeframe it depicts, but I'm guessing 1800s maybe? At the end it demonstrates the need for a sturdy and VERY SHARP cutting sword. www.logoi.com/notes/hunting_in_india_boar.html
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Post by ShooterMike on Dec 15, 2006 4:49:58 GMT
Here's a snippet from an interesting article from the Hungarian National Museum's website. www.hnm.hu/en/kiall/Exhibition.php?ID=2526...As for cold weapons, hunting spear and hunting sword demanded the greatest bravery. The former was used to hunt for wild-boar and bear, whilst the other for deer and rarely wild-boar. Great skill was needed to use these weapons, and even then, fatal accidents did occur. Such an accident marks the year 1664, when Miklós Zrínyi (1620-1664), poet and general, set out with a hunting sword to hunt after a huge, injured wild-boar in the forest next to Csáktornya (Cakovec). After a stab mistaken, the wild-boar ripped his chest open, and Zrínyi soon died.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 15, 2006 20:58:58 GMT
maybe we are going about this the wrong way? I'm not sure if this was what shootermike was saying but...
What if this sword was used to hunt for things OTHER than boar?
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Post by rammstein on Dec 15, 2006 21:18:20 GMT
Personally, I find this to be one of the most enlightening conversations that have occured so far. All of this information is just amazing. Thanks guys, you learn new things everyday
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Post by rammstein on Dec 15, 2006 23:11:05 GMT
You might want to do a bit of research into the Falcion, Messer, and early sabers. Its an interesting subject precisely because no one assosciates curved blades with europe. if curved blades like this impress you, you might want to take a look at gus trim's line. its slightly expensive, but he makes some fine swords, well worth the money. www.angustrimdirect.comhere's a direct link to the sabres: www.angustrimdirect.com/saberhome.htm
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Post by ShooterMike on Dec 16, 2006 0:38:03 GMT
Rammstein, You are spot on with the last two posts. I was trying (not too clearly) to suggest that these sabers, hangers, cutlasses etc. were seen as general purpose hunting weapons. The boar spear (with the cross guards) was almost always the "primary" with the sword used in the "backup role" to use current firearms doctrine-speak. I would be willing to bet a small sum of $$$ that there were probably 10-15 deer killed with these swords for every hog that met his end solely from the sword. Great minds must think alike... and you and me too. I spent almost an hour talking on the phone with Gus last month before finalizing the order for my AT1426 and leather hunting scabbard. We talked mostly about how well it would do for thrusting through the shoulder armor on a big boar and how likely it would be to break if we really tussle with it stuck in his shoulder. And also how well it would cut through the bristly, super-coarse hair and hide. I have seen (drooled) over his falchions and sabers, and up until a couple of months ago a bastard saber was going to be my first "expensive sword" purchase. However, I have become so infatuated with Type XVIII swords that I just had to make that my first big plunge. The only thing he's doing special is making the hilt an inch longer, 8 inches instead of the standard 7, and the handle and scabbard are going to be kind of a dark natural "distressed leather" color. I thought that sounded good for a Beastly Field Sword. I am currently trying to schedule with a hunting guide friend of mine (who I was hunting with when I killed one of the two boars above) to get his dog tuned up for an early spring "hog and medieval weapons exravaganza" as he has already taken several hogs with a Cold Steel boar spear, one with a Cold Steel Assegai, and one with a very large Bowie knife. The one with the Bowie knife ended up being something of a jujitsu match before it was over and he ended up bleeding in several places that should have probably required stitches...sorry I run on too much. Anyway, all that to say I hope to delve into the world of sword hunting next March or April...or whenever Gus gets the sword to me. Whichever is later. Oh one more thing. The way the dog works is this: The dog is a 25-30 lb. terrier. I don't know what breed, but he has fairly long legs and stands about knee high. The dog loves hogs. He especially loves to tease them. When he finds a big hog he starts barking and nipping at the hog's hindquarters. He keeps circling to get behind the hog. The hog certainly isn't afraid of a 30 pound dog, so he stands his ground and usually ignores the dog until he's been bitten a couple of times. Then he gets really PO'd. The more he tries to kill the dog the madder he gets. The dog is quick enough to stay out of reach, so the frustration factor is so high the hog gets so focused on the dog that the hunter can sneak right up to contact distance. From there...THE FIGHT IS ON, BABY! ;D
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Post by rammstein on Dec 16, 2006 1:41:36 GMT
Karma to you shootermike. I guess when everyone thinks of medieval hunting they think of boar hunting. thanks for the enlightment. I'm only sixteen and have been on a few dove hunts, but I've never even seen a wild boar, let alone hunted one. it sure does take guts to do what you are doing and I respect that! Must have been some fight...going one on one with a wild boar armed with a bowie knife! those scars sure would tell a nice story It is also interesting to note that you use dogs for hunting boar! For some reason I thought this was limited to bird hunting (no idea why, it make perfect sense in boar hunting as well). Gratz on the gus trim! when you were writing that message I was about to buy my first albion, but I discovered they were not open now . Guess my Ritter will have to wait until monday.
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Post by ShooterMike on Dec 16, 2006 2:15:35 GMT
Many thanks to you. I don't know how it will feel if I ever get the chance. But I look forward to finding out. After due consideration, I believe I will start out on a hog smaller than 200 lbs.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 16, 2006 2:33:03 GMT
aw, c'mon! be a real man! get those one of those boars that look like monster trucks on steroids ;D those will be a REAL fight! jk jk
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2006 3:41:00 GMT
I think I'll use my arrows for that bore.
hmmm.... come to think of it... useing a sword on a bore would only make sence after he had been severly injured with an arrow. Quite honestly it think any sword with a pointy tip will do the job just fine if it is stiff enough.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 16, 2006 4:10:27 GMT
I think this is going going to lead to the chivalry argument of whether or not using arrows was "cowardly" or not ;D!
sure they are simpler, but you don't get the same adrenalin rush as you do in hand to hand combat and fighting for your life.
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Post by ShooterMike on Dec 16, 2006 4:45:08 GMT
He, he, he, heeee! ;D
You guys are killing me. Please keep it up.
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