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Post by sparky on Apr 24, 2009 19:20:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2009 19:29:58 GMT
Army Parade Saber from Japan although the saya I thought was supposed to be metal?
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 24, 2009 20:14:01 GMT
Yeah, it's on of their later milirary patterns, though the blade looks like it could be older. Some officers had old family swords modifies and mounted for their sabers.
I can't remember the pattern year, though...
Oh, and that should be the only mekugi. Very carefully tap it out with whatever you have that could (if you don't have one of those fancy "maintenance kits" get one, they're handy) get it out; should only come out one way so don't force it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2009 20:18:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2009 20:31:43 GMT
I have one similar as well, WWII. It was taken from a dead officer as a souvenir and brought back to the US. It was given to me by a friend of my father back around 1975.
Mine has a very thin wooden saya inside the metal outer one. The wood has written characters on it.
Some day I might like to get a translation but do not know anyone who speaks Japanese.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2009 20:37:13 GMT
sparky, you're a lucky man, friend.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2009 20:46:39 GMT
That's pretty cool. To me, having one of these would not be about monotary value, but rather, just a piece of history. And depending on the owners of the sword, it could have some grusome tales to tell for sure. Thanks for sharing
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Post by sparky on Apr 24, 2009 20:49:12 GMT
Thanks, I'm following links all over the place ;D. It looks an awful lot like a police officer's sword with the five cherry blossom petals. but there are some differences. There is what looks like ray skin on the handle instead of wood. Also there is a mekugi and the flower goes through the blade as well. I did get the mekugi out but I don't know how to get the flower out. I can not find any numbers stamped anywhere visible, as if it were a production blade. Under a magnifying glass there is a definite "grain" in the metal and the bo-hi goes up under the habaki. Again thanks for all of the input!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2009 20:58:23 GMT
It's NOT the police sword because the police only has 5 petals whereas the Army has 10, like yours.
On yours I believe the metal casing for the saya is missing and only the wood is left.
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Post by hotspur on Apr 24, 2009 21:42:05 GMT
How many petals for the cherry blossom? You have Stein's pages, right? home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/nihonto.htmCheers Hotspur; is the blade plated, or raw?duh, ya, you did show five for a police sword or is it ten? don't mind me, I am quite brain dead
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2009 23:03:24 GMT
How many petals for the cherry blossom? You have Stein's pages, right? home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/nihonto.htmCheers Hotspur; is the blade plated, or raw?duh, ya, you did show five for a police sword or is it ten? don't mind me, I am quite brain dead Read my comment above, 5 for police, 10 for army. The OP's sword as 10.
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Post by hotspur on Apr 25, 2009 1:12:56 GMT
How many petals for the cherry blossom? You have Stein's pages, right? home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/nihonto.htmCheers Hotspur; is the blade plated, or raw?duh, ya, you did show five for a police sword or is it ten? don't mind me, I am quite brain dead Read my comment above, 5 for police, 10 for army. The OP's sword as 10. Did you read mine ?8^) ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2009 17:02:31 GMT
For what it might be worth:
An author of mine – Stephen Hunter - usually does gun novels and with a good amount of accurate teaching to the reader about sniper rifles etc. In 2007 he put one out called “The 47th Samurai” which is a modern samurai yarn. In it he explains that for WWII they (someone in charge of that sort of thing) gathered up old samurai swords and had them shortened and made into officers swords. What you show looks like what Hunter described.
For samurai fans – I thought the book was pretty good, not Yojimbo exactly but it didn’t suck. Good sword fights.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2009 17:10:44 GMT
What a nice gift Sparky. You must be a real nice guy... Hmmmm.... Naw!
It does look pretty impressive, like its the real deal. The Gods have smiled upon you my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2009 17:15:53 GMT
Kyu-gunto swords, also called Russo-Japanese swords, were used by Army, Cavalry and Naval officers during the Russo-Japanese War and WW II. This style of mounting was used from 1883 until 1945. Like shin-gunto, a great variety of quality in both blades, traditional and machine made, and mounts is seen in kyu-gunto swords. Many variations are found in the scabbards of kyu-gunto swords including chromed metal, lacquered wood or leather covered wood with brass fixtures. Any style scabbard may have a leather field cover. Those swords with elongated hilts and mekugi (peg for holding blade into hilt) are more likely to have hand forged blades, while the swords lacking mekugi generally are machine made and may have chromed blades. Different styles of kyu-gunto are often confused. The backstraps of naval kyu-gunto swords have no side pieces while army kyu-gunto and colonial swords have side pieces with various emblems on the backstrap. home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/military.htm There is often confusion between the army parade saber and the police officer saber. Both are similar in design and general appearence. They have chromed metal scabbards, brass D-hilts and wire wrapped grips. The police saber has a five petal cherry blossom mon whereas the parade saber has a ten petal cherry blossom mon. Parade sabers will occasionally have a family crest (mon) on the backstrap of the hilt. All of the blades in these swords are machine made and normally chrome plated. home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/civilian.htmHere is an example for sale, yours is in better condition. www.japanesesword.com/Images/Swords/03/703/kyu%20gunto/kyu_gunto.htmNotice the serial number stamped into the blade Here is one with a similar mount to your: www.antiqueswords.com/bq406.htm
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2009 17:21:25 GMT
Well done Alant! Bravo!
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Post by sparky on Apr 25, 2009 17:22:17 GMT
Duh, there are petals behind the petals. Thanks Drache. Hotspur, I have Steins page now, thanks. I can not tell if its plated brass or not, truthfully I have not had the time just got home from work. And I'm going to take a nap! Oogway, I had not thought of selling it ............ but now that you mention it if I could maybe then I could afford Odingaard's Boromir sword Ebon, Yes I do feel lucky! Gman, I had the same thought. If swords could talk ;D Roadrunner, That sounds like it might be the case, cause most of the swords I checked out yesterday were longer. I love to read so I'll be checking out that book thanks. Now if I can figure out how to get the flower out, If I spin one the other one spins too. I'm not sure if it is a screw and a nut or what. But it definitely goes through the tsuka.
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Post by sparky on Apr 25, 2009 17:29:27 GMT
Kyu-gunto swords, also called Russo-Japanese swords, were used by Army, Cavalry and Naval officers during the Russo-Japanese War and WW II. This style of mounting was used from 1883 until 1945. Like shin-gunto, a great variety of quality in both blades, traditional and machine made, and mounts is seen in kyu-gunto swords. Many variations are found in the scabbards of kyu-gunto swords including chromed metal, lacquered wood or leather covered wood with brass fixtures. Any style scabbard may have a leather field cover. Those swords with elongated hilts and mekugi (peg for holding blade into hilt) are more likely to have hand forged blades, while the swords lacking mekugi generally are machine made and may have chromed blades. Different styles of kyu-gunto are often confused. The backstraps of naval kyu-gunto swords have no side pieces while army kyu-gunto and colonial swords have side pieces with various emblems on the backstrap. home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/military.htm There is often confusion between the army parade saber and the police officer saber. Both are similar in design and general appearence. They have chromed metal scabbards, brass D-hilts and wire wrapped grips. The police saber has a five petal cherry blossom mon whereas the parade saber has a ten petal cherry blossom mon. Parade sabers will occasionally have a family crest (mon) on the backstrap of the hilt. All of the blades in these swords are machine made and normally chrome plated. home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/civilian.htm Thank you alant, I did find the link, but my confusion is that the "flower" on mine goes through the tuska and all the ones pictured look like they are stamped into the brass. Also it has a mekgui, which I have gotten out. Boy I love spell check with all these Japanese words
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Post by sparky on Apr 25, 2009 17:30:34 GMT
What a nice gift Sparky. You must be a real nice guy... Hmmmm.... Naw! It does look pretty impressive, like its the real deal. The Gods have smiled upon you my friend. I think the guy just wanted me to show up to work today
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Post by hotspur on Apr 25, 2009 19:13:05 GMT
Just a note of concern for all but it is something all could note and make arrangements for. Stein's pages are copyrighted. Ask, if you are going to use them. Further, those that frequent Steins mirrored pages on that one or the other is often down because of bandwidth use. Bandwidth is what is used to serve pictures to browsers and hotlinked images. Hotlinking can be good and bad. For instance, if you have a picture hosting site you use, that is fine. When you hotlink other's pages and hosting sites, you are using their bandwidth. Using other's bandwidth is load. Load not unlike running an extension cord to your neighbor's house for Chistmas lights.
I could only ask that when other's pictures are being ok'd by the priginal author and that use of their electricty/bandwidth is also ok'd. I know a great deal of folk probably have no idea that it is an issue but all should realize that copyrighted images should be respected. Even just posting links to other's images at the least should be acknowledged (which in this case, yes we know they are Stein's pages) but if you are going to use his images in hotlinking to display the pictures, host them on a free service or on pages you pay for.
Bandwidth costs everyone money. Hence we see advertisement banners on SBG to help defray the cost of bandwidth. Bandwidth is also personal use. One pays more for bandwidth capacity. Fast means bandwidth. Cost is only a matter of how fast you want to go.
This is surely going to be read as a lecture I often post to boards but many unknowingly costs everybody more money. Supply and demand should be fairly apparent. I'll get off my soapbox in leaving all with the thought that the internet is a wonderful thing but there are ways to make utopia a better place for everyone.
Cordially
Hotspur; this and other netizens tips are only limited by one's own intrests
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