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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 2:13:22 GMT
Drache has posted this quote a couple times:
Actually Roger admitted: "The new ss808 and ss809 look very realistic so they could possibly well be which would be a bonus considering the price."
The quote refers to Musashi's Takeo line of katana and whether or not they are DH. I assume Roger is Roger Caneda the US distributer of Musashi swords.
This quote makes me a bit reluctant to buy a musashi sword again. There seems to be a lack of knowledge about the product on the part of the distributor which calls into question any claims made by musashi about their product (at least in my mind).
What do you all think?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 2:17:26 GMT
a few times it's been posted "lost in translation" might be the cause. Personally though it's the same lines as some of the Bamboo being DH any Roger knew nothing about it since they weren't supposed to be DH.
The maker could make a bunch of SLO's and say they are "functional", really how is the distributor supposed to know unless the maker tells him?
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Apr 22, 2009 2:17:36 GMT
They "could well be" what? Clay hardened?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 2:20:59 GMT
They "could well be" what? Clay hardened? TH or DH, "they could well be [DH]"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 2:33:58 GMT
They "could well be" what? Clay hardened? Sorry about that. OP modified.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 2:40:07 GMT
They "could well be" what? Clay hardened? Sorry about that. OP modified. Actually you should edit it again since it sounds like the WHOLE Takeo line when instead he's just talking about the 808 or 809
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 2:43:33 GMT
a few times it's been posted "lost in translation" might be the cause. Personally though it's the same lines as some of the Bamboo being DH any Roger knew nothing about it since they weren't supposed to be DH. The maker could make a bunch of SLO's and say they are "functional", really how is the distributor supposed to know unless the maker tells him? But shouldn't the distributor know what they're selling? And if the distributor doesn't know how is the consumer supposed to know what he's buying?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 2:48:21 GMT
a few times it's been posted "lost in translation" might be the cause. Personally though it's the same lines as some of the Bamboo being DH any Roger knew nothing about it since they weren't supposed to be DH. The maker could make a bunch of SLO's and say they are "functional", really how is the distributor supposed to know unless the maker tells him? But shouldn't the distributor know what they're selling? And if the distributor doesn't know how is the consumer supposed to know what he's buying? Once again "lost in translation" somewhere along the time. But even then what does it matter? The least you get with a Takeo is a TH and you might just get a DH. Roger makes no claims for them being DH and when asked he simply states they MIGHT be since it has been known to happen before. The 808 MIGHT supposed to be TH and yet for some reason were given DH blades. This is what happened to the last few orders of the Bamboo Katana from Musashi. Now all the new Bamboo are just normal TH....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 3:29:54 GMT
Well, it seems as though they're supposed to be TH, but if they're sending him DH, how's he supposed to know? It's not practical to inspect every sword he gets. And it doesn't seem to be costing anyone anything more than it's supposed to.
While consistency would be nice, it doesn't seem to be a problem, per se. It's not like we're at risk of getting something less than advertised. Seems we'll just have to figure it out as a group of conscientious consumers.
He may not be saying for sure so that he can't be held responsible for saying they're more than they are if they turn out not to be.
Just thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 3:33:23 GMT
Well, it seems as though they're supposed to be TH, but if they're sending him DH, how's he supposed to know? It's not practical to inspect every sword he gets. And it doesn't seem to be costing anyone anything more than it's supposed to. While consistency would be nice, it doesn't seem to be a problem, per se. It's not like we're at risk of getting something less than advertised. Seems we'll just have to figure it out as a group of conscientious consumers. He may not be saying for sure so that he can't be held responsible for saying they're more than they are if they turn out not to be. Just thoughts. +1 for saying it right like I was trying to! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 3:50:38 GMT
Well in this particular instance most people would consider the inconsistency a prize. But what if one wanted a TH blade and ended up with a DH? Maybe this person wouldn't be so happy.
Not practical to inspect every sword, Steve? In an industry where quality control seems to be such a large issue--I really wish there was more inspection going on.
And for the distributor, if he knew he was getting DH blades he could sell them higher.
I guess what it comes down to the guy selling them isn't being told what he's selling it seems and yet we as consumers will damn well hold him responsible if we don't get what we think we're getting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 3:56:48 GMT
Well in this particular instance most people would consider the inconsistency a prize. But what if one wanted a TH blade and ended up with a DH? Maybe this person wouldn't be so happy. Not practical to inspect every sword, Steve? In an industry where quality control seems to be such a large issue--I really wish there was more inspection going on. And for the distributor, if he knew he was getting DH blades he could sell them higher. I guess what it comes down to the guy selling them isn't being told what he's selling it seems and yet we as consumers will damn well hold him responsible if we don't get what we think we're getting. You can't just sell the sword for more just because out of the blue it has a totally different blade. It's already listed for a price on the website and was being PREORDERED for that price! The only QC that roger does is that the blades are straight, nothing is broken, etc. He noticed that the hamon on the 808/809 were more "realistic" but he didn't check to see if they were DH or just the normal TH, he just sells what he's given.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 4:01:40 GMT
I don't think anyone should "expect" a DH blade when they're not advertised as such. I'm hoping for one, but I certainly wouldn't hold Mr. Caneda responsible if I don't get one, because that's not what he's advertising.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 4:05:02 GMT
I don't think anyone should "expect" a DH blade when they're not advertised as such. I'm hoping for one, but I certainly wouldn't hold Mr. Caneda responsible if I don't get one, because that's not what he's advertising. Sadly there has been more than one member to cancel their order or return their sword because they expected the new Bamboo's to be DH. I was hoping they were and was sort of disappointed in that aspect when it wasn't, but the sword was still good (until I found the broken tsuka anyways).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2009 13:12:51 GMT
TH blades would be cheaper- as the prices on the aforementioned swords suggest. If you get a DH, you got a treasure, if you didn't- you got exactly what you thought you were getting and paid for. How is anyone losing in this?
I agree with some of the others; as a distributor it doesn't make sense to hold him accountable for things of which he has no control over and probably does not know. There is still an element of trust in this business and sometimes, mistakes happen as these are handmade and not machinemade I am assuming.
Their Presentation line is still at the $200 mark and their advertised as DH so these other, cheaper offerings can only be expected to be TH.
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