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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 15:24:50 GMT
What would you do is someone came up and offered you $300 for a sword that you technically purchased for only $100?
Would you sell it to him and then buy yourself another one or tell them where you bought it for cheap?
This happened to me last night and this morning I told him where to get it online but he doesn't trust buying anything online and once again offered me $300 for my Musashi 808 even though he knew exactly how much they cost online. He's has a ton (and I mean a ton) of SLO swords and I guess watching me cut bottles with it makes him really want one.
So do I take the $300 and buy another one or do I just order him one online and charge him the exact price when it arrives?
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Apr 21, 2009 15:31:18 GMT
Sell it. FreeMarket, and all that.
The people you are buying your sword from are doing the same to you .
You have done very well, and nobly told him where to purchase said sword at a better price....
He would rather pay $300 for your known quantity sword, than to gamble on an Internet purchase.
SO sell it to him.... you ar eproviding him a screening service , and he is willing to compensate you for it.
No moral delima....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 15:36:18 GMT
Thanks for the post Marc! +1 to you!
He knows exactly what the sword is and I have not misled him in any way.
The moral dilemma was simply me sort of feeling like I was ripping him off (hey I'm a Canadian). I'll let him know that if he's still interested the sword is his then.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 15:42:12 GMT
I wouldn't have any touble selling it to him if he knowns he can get it for $100.00 and it willing to pay $300.00 you're not doing any thing morally wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 15:47:58 GMT
an added suggestion...if you do sell it to him. Even though you both are in a verbal agreement about original purchase price and the offered selling price...do up a Bill of Sale. Even if it is just a hand written note stating the agreement, selling price, date and both parties sign, it will give documentation of the transaction....just to cover your & his bum.
May sound a bit over cautious, but people are strange beings.....probably one reason I'm such a social recluse.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 16:14:34 GMT
I'm trying to imagine situations where someone would pay that much knowing they could get it for a lot cheaper new... I'm getting some weird scenarios here! XD
Yeah, if he already knows the cheaper price and all that, then sell it to him for what he's offering. As long as it's definitely clear to him, that's fine.
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Post by wiwingti on Apr 21, 2009 16:19:09 GMT
he knows how much the sword value so,, it is not your problem from there lol.
and you will be able to
1- buy the same and have money in your pocket
or
2- buy a more value sword
lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 16:22:59 GMT
I'm trying to imagine situations where someone would pay that much knowing they could get it for a lot cheaper new... I'm getting some weird scenarios here! XD Yeah, if he already knows the cheaper price and all that, then sell it to him for what he's offering. As long as it's definitely clear to him, that's fine. We live out in a VERY isolated area and he doesn't trust buying anything online. This is the same guy who literally comes to my garage sale every year just to see if I have anymore SLO's to sell! He's bought every single sword I've owned (well nearly).
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Post by septofclansinclair on Apr 21, 2009 16:24:57 GMT
An item is worth whatever someone will pay for it... and I can see why he'd want a "tested" sword rather than an untested "internet" sword. Just think of the extra $200 as your "consultation fee."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 16:26:24 GMT
Maybe the money's no issue, and he just doesn't want to wait for a sword to be shipped to him. You may be doing him a favor.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 16:34:09 GMT
Seems like you have been up front with him, let him have it if he likes it so much. I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for a sword I could handle and inspect prior to purchasing it. But as I know no enthusiasts or shops in my area, the internet seems to be my only option.
But one little thing.... I think I read somewhere around here that you lucked out and had gotten one with a natural hamon. As I understand it, not everyone did. I would caution a bit of thought before it's a done deal, replacing it may not end up being so easy. (I've been hanging on to mine for this exact reason)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 16:44:02 GMT
Seems like you have been up front with him, let him have it if he likes it so much. I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for a sword I could handle and inspect prior to purchasing it. But as I know no enthusiasts or shops in my area, the internet seems to be my only option. But one little thing.... I think I read somewhere around here that you lucked out and had gotten one with a natural hamon. As I understand it, not everyone did. I would caution a bit of thought before it's a done deal, replacing it may not end up being so easy. (I've been hanging on to mine for this exact reason) Yeah I was sort of worried about that but so far ALL the 808's came with natural hamon. And yeah a "local" sword shop will sell something like a PPK for close to $500....
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Post by wiwingti on Apr 21, 2009 16:46:38 GMT
OH my God
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Apr 21, 2009 16:49:14 GMT
Seems like you have been up front with him, let him have it if he likes it so much. I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for a sword I could handle and inspect prior to purchasing it. But as I know no enthusiasts or shops in my area, the internet seems to be my only option. But one little thing.... I think I read somewhere around here that you lucked out and had gotten one with a natural hamon. As I understand it, not everyone did. I would caution a bit of thought before it's a done deal, replacing it may not end up being so easy. (I've been hanging on to mine for this exact reason) Yeah I was sort of worried about that but so far ALL the 808's came with natural hamon. And yeah a "local" sword shop will sell something like a PPK for close to $500.... As I understand it, even the 808's (including yours) just have a VERY well done cosmetic hamon. There's a thread Slavia started awhile back about a new type of fake hamon that looks real, but I can't seem to find it... Sorry for the (potentially) bad news, but roger at musashiswords.com said that the takeo katanas were not DH. I may be wrong, of course, so don't take what I say as law, lol. I'll see if I can find that thread for you. It was in the japanese sword forum... -Slayer
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 16:57:34 GMT
Yeah I was sort of worried about that but so far ALL the 808's came with natural hamon. And yeah a "local" sword shop will sell something like a PPK for close to $500.... As I understand it, even the 808's (including yours) just have a VERY well done cosmetic hamon. There's a thread Slavia started awhile back about a new type of fake hamon that looks real, but I can't seem to find it... Sorry for the (potentially) bad news, but roger at musashiswords.com said that the takeo katanas were not DH. I may be wrong, of course, so don't take what I say as law, lol. I'll see if I can find that thread for you. It was in the japanese sword forum... -Slayer Actually Roger admitted: "The new ss808 and ss809 look very realistic so they could possibly well be which would be a bonus considering the price." Bajamike: "After I etched a small area of the hamon and ji with some diluted ferric chloride, I was happy to find the hamon darken much more than the unhardened ji area. With some minor polishing with 2000 grit sand paper and some metal polish the hamon did not vanish" Musashi: "The hamon and hardness (55HRC) were created in the temper process" Those three things sure make it sound real. Granted not ALL the Takeo come with the same blade! The blade on the 783 is allot wider and heavier than the 808.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Apr 21, 2009 17:05:50 GMT
Personally I'd not give a damn if I had the only Musashi in the world with a real hamon.... it is still a $100 sword, hamon nonwithstanding.....
I'd sell that sword for $300 QUICK.....
And either buy a better sword, or replace that one.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 17:35:08 GMT
i agree with marc. you told him where to buy it at a much cheaper price but if he still wants to buy yours for 300 why not take it and buy somethig nicer than a 100 dollar musashi you can get a much better sword for 300
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 17:51:11 GMT
I am really surprised to see these responses from people. This is a perfect example of just how flawed we are as a species....greed.
I understand that this in not a moral dilemma as the buyer was given the info to buy his own at 1/3 the price. However, just because it isn't a moral issue, I believe this is an issue of fairness.
But, before we go any further I want to say that this whole scenario make ZERO sense to me. Even an individual who is wealthy is unlikely to offer such a premium price. So, I believe there is something amiss with this whole thing. I can only revert to the old saying, "if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is", so I would be VERY cautious in this situation.
Now, back to the issue of fairness. Let me ask all those who are in favor of this deal to tell me where they draw the line in the sand and say "no, thats too much". Is that number 400, 500, 1000, 10,000. What is the price of your conscience? What number will make you feel bad about yourself for taking such a shameless profit margin. This is a question of character and ethics more than anything else.
I feel in this situation a fair price should be very carefully calculated. For example, one must take into consideration the length of time the seller will be without a blade while the new one is on order. If the seller has other blades to use then this is a relative non-issue.
There is the consideration of time to re-order another blade and the possibility that the new blade may come flawed and require an additional length of time to return it for exchange or refund. These are important considerations because the blade being sold has none of these issues, so there is value there.
Personally, I would have to draw the line at a maximum of $100.00 net profit and that would depend on how much use the original sword had on it and the overall condition. Anything more than that is just greed anyway you slice it.
In life, just because one CAN do something, doesn't me he/she SHOULD.
Just my .02
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2009 17:58:36 GMT
I am really surprised to see these responses from people. This is a perfect example of just how flawed we are as a species....greed. I understand that this in not a moral dilemma as the buyer was given the info to buy his own at 1/3 the price. However, just because it isn't a moral issue, I believe this is an issue of fairness. But, before we go any further I want to say that this whole scenario make ZERO sense to me. Even an individual who is wealthy is unlikely to offer such a premium price. So, I believe there is something amiss with this whole thing. I can only revert to the old saying, "if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is", so I would be VERY cautious in this situation. Now, back to the issue of fairness. Let me ask all those who are in favor of this deal to tell me where they draw the line in the sand and say "no, thats too much". Is that number 400, 500, 1000, 10,000. What is the price of your conscience? What number will make you feel bad about yourself for taking such a shameless profit margin. This is a question of character and ethics more than anything else. I feel in this situation a fair price should be very carefully calculated. For example, one must take into consideration the length of time the seller will be without a blade while the new one is on order. If the seller has other blades to use then this is a relative non-issue. There is the consideration of time to re-order another blade and the possibility that the new blade may come flawed and require an additional length of time to return it for exchange or refund. These are important considerations because the blade being sold has none of these issues, so there is value there. Personally, I would have to draw the line at a maximum of $100.00 net profit and that would depend on how much use the original sword had on it and the overall condition. Anything more than that is just greed anyway you slice it. In life, just because one CAN do something, doesn't me he/she SHOULD. Just my .02 You are right of course and this is why I posted this out. But remember that here in Canada this same musashi in a store would easily cost a couple hundred. He offered ME an amount, I never asked him and never said it was for sale. I told him that he could go online and purchase the same sword for $130 Canadian right from the website. He stated he wasn't interested and once again offered me $300 Canadian. He wants a "real" Katana right now and doesn't trust ordering one from out of country.
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Post by wiwingti on Apr 21, 2009 18:01:18 GMT
don't ask questions sell it and buy a better one man lol
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