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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 3:47:52 GMT
Hopefully someone can help me identify this sword. An ebay purchase; seller said it was made by DArksword Armory, but it doesn't have the DSA maker's mark. Seems like a nice sword, though. Nice stiff blade (unsharpened), nice tight fittings, a bit blade heavy. Blade is 30 3/4 inches; handle (between crossguard and pommel) is 5 1/4 inches long. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 20, 2009 6:59:49 GMT
Hmm... Doesn't look like any DSA I've ever seen, and I sure can't find it on their site now, but it could be an older model...though I'm sure it would still have their stamp on it... It does appear to be some type of Norman-type sword, though...and being unsharpened and a tad blade-heavy, could well be DSA. Especially if it weighs far more than it should. (kidding guys, calm down) Not a bad looking sword, but I have no idea who made it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 11:17:07 GMT
from the gloss of the blade and grip.....to me...looks like a Windlass piece.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 12:05:55 GMT
That picture reminds me of some of Hanwei's practical line european sword.
Hard to make anything more than general hypothesis with a single picture ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 12:50:19 GMT
I was thinking windlass as a possibility as well. More pics:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 12:58:21 GMT
I dont see the DSA logo stamped into the blade so it is not DSA. Looks to me like it closely resembles the Hanwei Practical Norman Sword. The Guard is different but the Pomel looks correct.
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 20, 2009 13:39:45 GMT
The Hanwei Practical Euros have rounded/squared tips for sparring, so this is not one of those. It could be a Windlass, but I can't place the model. May even be a Del Tin for all I know... A thought just hit me, though...Windlass also stamps their blades with the ol' "Windlass Made in India" bit, and I'm sure even Del Tin marks their stuff...so now I'm completely lost. This is no manufacturer I know.
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Post by brotherbanzai on Apr 20, 2009 14:33:12 GMT
I've been getting the Museum Replicas/Atlanta Cutlery catalogs from windlass for years and I don't remember ever seeing that pommel on one of their swords. I could be mistaken but I would doubt it's a windlass. Looks like it might have a screw on pommel. You could disassemble the hilt and see if that provides any new insights.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 14:46:12 GMT
It could be windlass the blade looks like there's even thouht i've never see this sword from them but they discontinue swords so often it is hard to keep up with them
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 15:07:50 GMT
Once upon a time I would've said it looks like any other sword I'd ever seen, but that wouldn't be true now.
That guard, with the rounded tip, is unlike any I've ever seen- it could be an old MRL offering; back when they did business with other forges, not just Windlass. It could be a Del Tin blade married to some off-brand hilt components; that looks like an older offering, not one we'd find in any catalog in the last 5 years or so (when I started getting the MRL, MWART and Knight Edge catalogs) that I can remember.
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Post by Darksword Armory on May 2, 2009 22:46:15 GMT
Hi Pogo, The sword is not a DSA sword. It was however made by our students. These swords were made by our apprentices many many years ago (6 years sound right). They are "OK" swords, but in no way even come close to our smiths abilities. These are not considered DSA swords and have not been stamped with our logo, because they were not forged by our staff and do not meet DSA standards. They were made by our students and sold on ebay for 85$ - 100$, depending on the model. Each student created his/her own piece, based on their own inspiration or historical research. We only focused on technique and helped them improve their skills. In an SBG interview, I explained what happened with out apprentice line. DSA was basically giving free forging classes to local collectors and people who shared a passion for swords. The students spent about 80$ to buy the raw material to make their first piece. They then sold them on ebay at cost price in order to buy more alloy and continue improving their skills without forking more money than their initial investment. Unfortunately however, a minority of unrealistic buyers expects to receive a "true" DSA sword for 80$ and posted their disappointment over the workmanship on DSA swords, without specifying that they were actually made by a group of apprentices (hence not the DSA staff). Ultimately, our reputations suffered considerably due to constant threads on My Armoury and the SwordForum by the same two or three people, over and over again. Ultimately, we decided to terminate the apprenticeship program as it was unfairly affecting our reputation and leading to false impressions over the quality of our blades. The interview was posted on the following thread: www.sword-manufacturers-guide.com/DSA-interview.htmlHope this helps, Eyal, DSA
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2009 23:11:01 GMT
Yeah we dont want a repeat of that nonsense ........ word of mouth is fine, rumourmongering isnt
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on May 3, 2009 1:21:14 GMT
Oh Eyal that's so disappointing. Some people are tools behind the anonymity of the screen. Especially when you are helping people out, very disappointing.
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Post by Avery on May 3, 2009 1:45:07 GMT
I think the apprenticeship program was a nice thing, its too bad it ended.....I would've liked to pay for the raw material in order to have the chance at forging a sword....Don't think I would've sold it though.....maybe it could be started again under the premise of a "forge your own sword" kinda thing.....that'd be cool in my book.
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Post by shadowhowler on May 3, 2009 1:59:38 GMT
Thats a damn shame Eyal...
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2009 6:39:16 GMT
I think the apprenticeship program was a nice thing, its too bad it ended.....I would've liked to pay for the raw material in order to have the chance at forging a sword....Don't think I would've sold it though.....maybe it could be started again under the premise of a "forge your own sword" kinda thing.....that'd be cool in my book. I have to agree that this would be pretty cool...
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2009 13:36:15 GMT
Eyal, its such a shame that the apprentice programme did not work out for you. It sounds like a great way of giving back to the community and I’m sure a lot of people would love to have the opportunity to forge their own swords.
It sounds like you had a hard time out of this and the other silly rumours started about you. Some people are such tools.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 14:40:52 GMT
I wish I'd known about that- how many chances do you get to forge your own sword? Conan, anyone? That is a damn shame...now he's not likely to ever do it again; after reading that interview, I must say, I have a different feel about him. I'd dealt with him in the past and he's always been up front and communicative for the most part; I didn't like what I'd purchased so he very graciously gave me a full refund. I came away from that experience with a positive outlook on DSA; that I didn't like the sword didn't mean much, I'm not going to like every one that crosses my path- but I appreciated the customer service. That goes a long way, with me. Now if they start producing swords for people who are not 'wristed' like Vikings, I may have to get a DSA. Just a little weight joke.
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Post by Darksword Armory on May 4, 2009 17:27:46 GMT
I appreciate all comments. I really loved the apprenticeship program. Terminating it was a huge disappointment, for us and the students involved. I met some very talented art students, with incredible artistic abilities, not only as apprentices, but as artist in general. It also broke the daily routine at the shop. Eyal, Darksword Armory www.darksword-armory.com
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 19:42:35 GMT
Eyal, in short, that blows. I hope you guys take it upon yourselves to do this again, but maybe with a few new rules to lessen the bs that ensued the first time. All it takes is one bad apple, in time it'll spoil the bunch.
Keep up the positivity!
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