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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2009 14:58:53 GMT
I knew what you meant and of course you are correct. I was just being a pest.
As far as my statement about utmost respect, I truly meant it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2009 15:03:10 GMT
Guys, I agree with pretty much all of you, because you all have valid points that all work on different levels. BUT we are not here to discuss things like this, are we? We are here to discuss swords, and discussions like this seems to be the cause of problems lately. I've been away for nearly a year and just read through all the problem threads this week. I'm saddened. I think we should just stick to swords and leave everything that is this unrelated to PM or maybe the cafe. If we must discuss opinions so personal, we ought to state them and leave it at that; no trying to convince others to think like you, because it will in all likelihood just not happen. Please review my first sentence and not fire at me. I like all you guys. As for the OP, testing is good and all, but edge to edge contact is just not what any of these blades were made for, so these results do not exemplify any "built-in" or "by-design" characteristics. It is good to know that they can take the edge to edge contact, though, I guess. Well said.......karma 1+
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Apr 1, 2009 20:19:46 GMT
What I'm saying (and LPBoyle is trying to say i believe) is ownership is a modern concept, and not real. We are just a part of this planet, we don't own it or anything in it. Thats why native americans were swindled Not just Americans .... was it? While its true that many of the iriquois tribes had no concept of ownership per se... the source of that myth you are citing was the sell of Manhattan... and its no wonder that the Indians who sold it had no concept of ownership.... they didn't LIVE there ... they sold another tribes Island... One only needs to look at the constant territory wars between tribes to see that some basic concept of " this is mine , DO NOT tread on it" was in place" That sounds nice, it really does... but I invite you to take a bone from a dingo , or watch ANY group of predators or scavengers feed to see how universal the concept of ownership and ego is in the natural world...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2009 22:59:45 GMT
Well , you are right... we ARE part of the planet , and own nothing on it.. by the same token we cannot destroy anything either... matter nor energy can be destroyed... just transformed.... If we bang up a sword we haven't destroyed one molecule of iron, or carbon... in the same respect I hear people rave about wasting water... huh? Except for the water taken on the space missions, every molecule of water that has ever existed on Earth still does.... A neo-pagan huh? So you definitely support his right to do as he pleases correct? You are of course familiar with the Rede? An it harm none, do what ye will. And the earlier version of course, from Mr. Crowley himself.... Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawAbout two decades worth of familiarity with those statements. And that is also where the concept of stewardship comes in for as the finish to Crowely's statement reads "for love is the law and love is the bond, love under will." This provides an important caveat to doing what one will, in that one has to carefully consider both the intended and unintended consequences of one's actions and whether or not those actions can cause harm in anyway either intentionally or unintentionally. Anyway, I said that I thought this was simply a needless test. That is al,l but to perform this testing was the OP's choice not mine. I voiced me disapproval but that simply means that I am stating this isn't something I would have done. That being said, I do believe I did apologize to the OP for shooting my mouth off a bit. However, if you would like to have a nice long discussion about Crowley's concept of true will, neo-pagan ethics, intentional versus unintentional harm, and the philosophical commonalities between these things and various Oriental philosophies, and how it could be applied to modern life. I would be happy to oblige you off-list. Have a nice day
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Apr 1, 2009 23:17:48 GMT
Not just Americans .... was it? ________ ..I invite you to take a bone from a dingo , or watch ANY group of predators or scavengers feed to see how universal the concept of ownership and ego is in the natural world... No mate it happened in Africa and Australia too. Don't get me started on what they've done to the Australian Aborigines . My wife is of Aboriginal decent. And re: dogs. Dogs ROCK! They do whats best for the pack. They kill weak (injured or older) members, mothers discard 'their' weak babies. Humans are the only species that nurture weak members. Dogs follow a leader flawlessly, rather than wandering off to sniff around or pursue their own wants when it's not time for that. Any pack superior won't have any trouble taking a bone from an inferior. I take stuff off my dog all the time It all comes down to the greater good, they are very selfless. They only fight for superiority when they sense a weakness which implies they are obliged to fight for leadership for the good of the pack. They are happier to follow. I love dogs.
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Post by sparky on Apr 1, 2009 23:23:22 GMT
Now while I would never do this test to one of my swords I was kind of interested in what he did. I had always wondered what would happen when they hit on edge; and now I know. Also one of the reasons I bought my first sword, and found this forum, was because of watching Mr. Southern cut into a piece of square steel with a Katana and not damaging the blade. I thought that it was totally cool and said I gotta have that sword.
I can understand Brenno's frustrations, who doesn't get ticked off with the stupidity, or selfishness of people. (this IS NOT directed at ANYONE in particular) Some-days I would love to move to the middle of nowhere, were I didn't have to deal with morons. But I can't, so I try to make a change in my house. Try to raise my kids well and teach them to respect. I try to get them to understand that they do not walk in another mans shoes and can not feel what they feel, but they can try! We love LIFE the plants, animals, heck the world and try to take care of our part. This is all I can do, life is to short. I'm not going to change any ones behaviour or opinions so why frustrate myself.
But with that said, marc raised a very good point, "this earth will shed us off and begin again". I really believe this. Also I believe individuals have a right to do with there property (nonliving) as they see fit, because their sweat equity went into the purchase of their property. If they destroy it it's no sweat off my brow. I may not agree with it but again.....
My point to this post was and is NOT to side with anyone, just my opinion.
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Post by kidcasanova on Apr 2, 2009 8:59:15 GMT
Not just Americans .... was it? ________ ..I invite you to take a bone from a dingo , or watch ANY group of predators or scavengers feed to see how universal the concept of ownership and ego is in the natural world... No mate it happened in Africa and Australia too. Don't get me started on what they've done to the Australian Aborigines . My wife is of Aboriginal decent. And re: dogs. Dogs ROCK! They do whats best for the pack. They kill weak (injured or older) members, mothers discard 'their' weak babies. Humans are the only species that nurture weak members. Dogs follow a leader flawlessly, rather than wandering off to sniff around or pursue their own wants when it's not time for that. Any pack superior won't have any trouble taking a bone from an inferior. I take stuff off my dog all the time It all comes down to the greater good, they are very selfless. They only fight for superiority when they sense a weakness which implies they are obliged to fight for leadership for the good of the pack. They are happier to follow. I love dogs. So we should kill off all disabled and elderly people and give our lives to people big enough to push us down? You're a great guy, Brendan, but Altruism is something I really, really despise. The philosophy itself is just...broken.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2009 18:39:49 GMT
This is so off-topic and not what should be discussed anywhere in this forum...
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Post by septofclansinclair on Apr 2, 2009 18:41:56 GMT
Sigh... this isn't getting back on topic, is it? And it's strayed so far as to be of no use for anyone in terms of infomring them about swords and sword collecting... Looks like it's time for this thread to be "put down"...
Locked.
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