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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 0:13:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 0:18:45 GMT
hmm .. noup .. but the idea of saw blade katana it's little weird .. interesting but exotic. Do you have a museum's pic? just to watch it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 0:51:35 GMT
What purpose would making a katana saw toothed serve?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 0:59:53 GMT
didn't the main bad guy in the movie "Ultra Violet" have a "saw toothed or serrated" Kat? Edit: Close but not the same....
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Post by shadowhowler on Mar 20, 2009 1:16:42 GMT
What purpose would making a katana saw toothed serve? None whatsoever. However... I PROMISE you someone is going to see that thing and think it's the coolest thing EVER... this someone likely also has a huge collection of giant buster swords and other silly anime weapons. If there is a market for it... (and don't kid yourself Sam, much as you and I may not like it, there *IS*) someone will make it and sell it. Simple economics. I'm sure that thing will sell.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 1:43:30 GMT
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Post by hotspur on Mar 20, 2009 2:02:34 GMT
Artillery,sapper and other pioneer swords often had serrations and saw blades. Here is an ancient Roman artillery man's sword for cutting concrete blocks to make igloo-like shelters. In all seriousness though, saw tooth swords came in many varieties. I'll just link this one, as the picture is a wide one. This is an 1827 Russian piece. I don't have the exact specifications but did fondle it for a few hours. With the scabbard, it was a good chunk more than a couple of pounds. usera.imagecave.com/Hotspur/Manville/Manville2007dmf.jpgThese various European short swords are plentiful on the antique market, thgough not as cheap as the reproduction military gladius form we see for the U.S. artillery 1832, or the repro 1816 and 1831 French models. Cheers Hotspur; I know I should have grabbed that prop doozy, it was nicely made and has real character
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 4:31:56 GMT
Just what I need! A new bread knife, now all I need is a gyuto katana and a pairing tanto and I will have the full kitchen set.
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Post by shadowhowler on Mar 20, 2009 4:48:58 GMT
Just what I need! A new bread knife, now all I need is a gyuto katana and a pairing tanto and I will have the full kitchen set. Nice...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 4:58:50 GMT
The main badguy in the Rorouni Kenshin series used a serrated Katana. I believe that's what this is replicating. Though his serrations somehow managed to hold body-fat from those he's killed, enough so as to allow him to ignite the fat and fight with a flaming sword for an oddly long period of time. Oh, those silly Japanese...
I kind of feel the urge to get one of these mofo's and do some test cutting on a pig carcass. ^_^
On a side note, serrated Nihonto are not unheard of. I've seen several examples that are obviously not modern crap. The thing is, the serrations are on the spine. One Wakizashi seemed like a fine-toothed wood-saw. Another short Wakizashi or long Tanto had large, bluntish serrations and I believe was noted as a fish-scaler. The inner curve appeared useful in scaling the large tuna that get brought into Japanese ports.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 5:04:25 GMT
Also some blades have teeth that are sharpened on one side so that it pulls out the guts when you pull the blade out of the wound.
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Post by ecovolo on Mar 20, 2009 6:07:57 GMT
If there is an historical precedent for a saw-toothed katana, all I ask is: show me proof. I've seen pictures of the original dussack (or dusagge) this is modeled after: medievalcollectibles.com/p-4650-dusagge-cutlass.aspx. . . and other nasty serrated weapons from European history. But I have yet to see an historical katana with serrations. --Edward
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 6:15:56 GMT
No historical precedent as far as I know, saw teeth are for saws, not slicing weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 7:10:40 GMT
If there is an historical precedent for a saw-toothed katana, all I ask is: show me proof. I've seen pictures of the original dussack (or dusagge) this is modeled after: medievalcollectibles.com/p-4650-dusagge-cutlass.aspx. . . and other nasty serrated weapons from European history. But I have yet to see an historical katana with serrations. --Edward I didn't find the katana, but here is his tanto, mounted in handachi koshirae. It is said that he challenged over 200 trees, and killed them all. He even built a small house out of his fallen opponents. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 9:17:11 GMT
It was probably some assistant who made the blade and his master went "what the hell is that thing, scrap it!" The assistant secretly hid this piece and passed it down through his family, passing it off as a famous mastersmith.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 16:20:33 GMT
Knight's Edge used to market a Dusagge Cutlass that had a serrated edge; beastly looking thing but definitely not up my alley in terms of aesthetics. Who is to say that there were no saw-backed katana?
I'm willing to believe that there probably are a great many weapon types we are not privy to simply because they didn't survive antiquity. I find keeping an open mind about things cuts down on the surprise factor, always a good thing for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 17:31:00 GMT
Bloodwraith, you beat me to it! The first thing I thought when I saw (...sigh...) this sword was: "hey, it could be useful in case you came across a gigantic loaf of bread"
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Post by ecovolo on Mar 20, 2009 18:57:52 GMT
It is said that he challenged over 200 trees, and killed them all. He even built a small house out of his fallen opponents. ;D LOL I can only guess that every tree in Japan trembled when they heard his name. ;D I'll admit I've seen the saw-toothed tanto before; no arguments there. But so far, no katana. *Now* I'm interested. I'll see if I can dig up some historical proof of one, somewhere. Surely if it was thought of now, somebody thought of --and made one-- earlier. It's just a matter of finding it. --Edward
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 1:26:35 GMT
Looks like a giant steak knife... I'm sure you'd hear a very pleasant 'snap' the first time you tried cutting anything with it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 3:47:28 GMT
guys!
I can't find nothing about a saw bladed katana ..
I found the common saw swords .. like hunting swords, artillery swiss/german/ swords , messers, cavalry german/austrian sabres, dutch cutlass..
But nothing historical about saw bladed katana.. hmmm ... bad news :C
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