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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 6:52:39 GMT
Heya guys, to those that have got current VA's both having felt the sharp and extra sharp, I'm thinking a VA Longsword or Arming not sure yet (like another guy probably flip a coin).
So its mentioned that for heavier targets the EXTRA sharp might be a liability, from you educated gentlemen what targets would you reccomend what sharpness level for, grading say as
Milk Jug (light plastic) Soda Bottle (more reinforced plastic for carbonated drinks) More Rigid Clear plastic Foam Pool Noodles Single Roll Tatami Double Roll Tatami (any furthur is abuse really)
I'm confused and paranoid about what I should get, other too I imagine.
INSIGHT???
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Post by ShooterMike on Mar 17, 2009 10:37:46 GMT
I would always go with the extra sharp option. Especially if you are willing to do a little light maintenance sharpening.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 12:10:10 GMT
I agree with mike, you will have to touch up the edge more. My VA practical line swords which have fairly fine, flat ground, edges have yet to chip from hit the cutting stand or any of the targets mentioned. Plus if you start sharp you'll have a better idea what the sword is capable of to start with.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Mar 17, 2009 18:14:34 GMT
the only reservation I have on reccomending extra sharp on the practical line is that the two practical line swords I have both show no sign of secondary bevel and came nicely sharpened. I did get the longsword second hand and it had been sharpened by the original owner but I do believe he had said at some point that it came with very good edge geometry and very sharp out of the box. Shooter Mike is that original owner so maybe he can confirm this. my practical arming sword came very sharp out of the box and all I have had to do is a little (key word: little) maintenance to keep it sharp. these two swords are the custom tuned versions so maybe that makes a difference, but I'm pretty sure I've heard the same thing of the regulars. Ric Willy did a good review of the non-tuned version.
anyway my whole point is to say that getting them extra sharp might leave you with a secondary bevel where before there would not have been one. I am pretty curious to see how this works out.
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Post by YlliwCir on Mar 17, 2009 18:25:31 GMT
I have a VA Practical LS and Arming sword of the original batch. They came very very sharp without a secondary bevel. I can't imagine why I would want them any sharper. This is only my experience.
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Post by shadowhowler on Mar 17, 2009 18:30:16 GMT
My only experinces (so far) is with the Castle sword, and also with a VA Practical that I got from ShooterMike. The One from Mike is plenty sharp... but work has been done to it, so no idea how sharp out of the box it was. With the Castile... well as everyone knows regular sharp was like a baseball bat... extra sharp was NEEDED to cut anything... and still has a VERY small secondary bevel. So between the bevel and the hardness of the steel, I'm not overly worried about the 'extra sharp' edge on the Castile.
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Post by YlliwCir on Mar 17, 2009 18:37:19 GMT
My only experinces (so far) is with the Castle sword, and also with a VA Practical that I got from ShooterMike. The One from Mike is plenty sharp... but work has been done to it, so no idea how sharp out of the box it was. With the Castile... well as everyone knows regular sharp was like a baseball bat... extra sharp was NEEDED to cut anything... and still has a VERY small secondary bevel. So between the bevel and the hardness of the steel, I'm not overly worried about the 'extra sharp' edge on the Castile. Hence the dilemma, eh? Same vendor, different models, different results edgewise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 23:40:31 GMT
So in terms of 'touching up' an extra sharp edge are we talking about some good ol' whetstone action?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 21:09:13 GMT
So do you think that having an extra sharp castille would be alright for tatami (because theres alot of width in the blade) but having say an extra sharp Malatesta (narrow blade) might not be up for tatami? or am I totally off the ball ??
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Post by shadowhowler on Mar 19, 2009 4:03:52 GMT
So do you think that having an extra sharp castille would be alright for tatami (because theres alot of width in the blade) but having say an extra sharp Malatesta (narrow blade) might not be up for tatami? or am I totally off the ball ?? I think the 'extra sharp' option... if it is edged like my Castile is... would be fine for any cutting medium on any of the swords they have coming out. Like I said, there is still a very small secondary bevel, but the sword cuts well... so there is some 'meat' to the edge, it's not a razor... but it gets the job done and seems quite durrable. If the option is offered, I will go with EXTRA sharp on everything I get from Valiant Armoury... I will be doing so on my Bristol... and I'm considering a VA Atrim Practical Longsword, and I'd go extra sharp on that with no worries.
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Post by Sonny Suttles on Mar 19, 2009 23:17:51 GMT
On the Sharp vs. Extra Sharp The Original intent was to have the forge sharpen these with no secondary bevel. The Castile that we provided the forge had a secondary bevel so that is the way we got it back. This was a mix up in communication with the forge. I had stressed so much that they duplicate the blade as close to the original as possible so we got a secondary bevel. Future runs of the Castile will not have the secondary bevel. They will be sharp straight from the forge. As will all other Signature, Practical and Valhalla swords.
Sonny
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 23:37:34 GMT
"Sharp" and "extra sharp"? Somethings either sharp or it isn't.
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Post by shadowhowler on Mar 20, 2009 1:08:09 GMT
What are these?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 11:53:04 GMT
Probably something we'll be drooling over.
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Post by Tom K. (ianflaer) on Mar 20, 2009 13:10:06 GMT
oh man Sonny, that is GOOD to hear. thank you so much for following up on this for us. we all know you are mad busy right now. Karma to Sonny for great public out-reach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 14:15:50 GMT
is it safe to assume that the Valhalla swords are the ones your doing with Oden blades?
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Mar 20, 2009 15:38:17 GMT
I would guess so... I think that I saw 'Valhalla' mentioned somewhere else in conection with Odinblades. Not to mention that 'odin' is a norse god and 'Valhalla' is kind of their heaven (I think). -Slayer
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 18:49:06 GMT
lol, yep, thats how i made the connection ;D
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Post by Sonny Suttles on Mar 20, 2009 23:24:53 GMT
Sam Salvati,
I am not sure how the extra sharp term came into use on these. Basically the Castile's came sharpened with a secondary bevel that was not great for cutting so we start resharpening them here. Meaning they were sharped but not correctly for soft targets
Sonny
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Post by Sonny Suttles on Mar 20, 2009 23:25:44 GMT
And yes, The Valhalla Collection is based on John Lundemo's work.
Sonny
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