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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 3:23:26 GMT
Anyone out there own one or tried one out?
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Post by shadowhowler on Mar 17, 2009 3:42:22 GMT
Never heard of it... it must be from the older generation of Valiant Armoury... before Sonny took over. Most of the older stuff is not to impressive, IMO.
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Post by kidcasanova on Mar 17, 2009 3:52:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 4:18:20 GMT
I wouldnt bother, like everyone says old Valiant not so great, good if you want a project sword I suppose
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 4:49:20 GMT
I like the sword style. I would have to handle it before buying it. I would not spend more then $100 on it with out feeling it out first. For $100... what he hell... its a beater.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 2:11:14 GMT
Old Valiant...hmm. The falchion would fall into this category wouldn't it? I really like my Valiant Falchion, so I'm not willing to write off any of their swords, yet. (Besides, I like the old design aesthetic at work and would assume new production runs of the old designs might include improvements.)
I love the look of the Pizarro, myself. If I can find the right deal I'll probably take the plunge.
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Post by shadowhowler on Mar 18, 2009 3:06:36 GMT
Would be nice if they had more specs on it... older Valiant stuff tends to be pretty overbuilt and heavy... that kinda sword I wouldnt want to heavy... but it does not list a weight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 3:27:12 GMT
AOV lists it as 3 pounds 13 ounces. A bit weighty I suppose, but what's actually more important is the POB, which I can't find anywhere.
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Post by kidcasanova on Mar 18, 2009 3:44:49 GMT
With a large hilt like that, I'm sure it's relatively close to the hilt. Though older VA swords can be deceiving. I remember a review of the Lionheart (I think?) and it weighing more than the Gen2 version of it, even though it was MUCH smaller than the Gen2 reproduction.
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Post by shadowhowler on Mar 18, 2009 4:50:14 GMT
AOV lists it as 3 pounds 13 ounces. A bit weighty I suppose, but what's actually more important is the POB, which I can't find anywhere. YIKES! Thats almost 4 lbs for a single handed thrusting weapon... I have a two handed sword that weighs less then that... and it's a Darksword Armoury sword!!! That sword looks like it's ment to be used similar to a rapier... thats WAY to heavy, no matter where the POB is. Thats 7oz heavier then my Castile, which is a SOLID cutting blade and about as heavy as I would want a single handed sword. Just my opinion tho...
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Post by kidcasanova on Mar 18, 2009 5:23:17 GMT
Will VA discontinue their old line of swords once all the Practicals and Signature swords are released? Or rather, will they update them? I'd be curious to know.
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Post by shadowhowler on Mar 18, 2009 5:30:28 GMT
Will VA discontinue their old line of swords once all the Practicals and Signature swords are released? Or rather, will they update them? I'd be curious to know. Hm... good question. I wonder if they are still selling the older stuff from stock... I don't know if they are even making any of the older models anymore. I know Sonny said he was ending the company's Japaness swords... to cocentrate on the Euto swords with the new practical/signature lines.
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Mar 18, 2009 15:07:10 GMT
VA still makes the older models. I emailed Sonny about which ones had been updated, and he said that they hadn't redesigned the old models yet, but they're in the process of doing so. The 'new' older models should come out early 2010.
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Post by shadowhowler on Mar 18, 2009 15:41:06 GMT
VA still makes the older models. I emailed Sonny about which ones had been updated, and he said that they hadn't redesigned the old models yet, but they're in the process of doing so. The 'new' older models should come out early 2010. Well, thats something to look forward to... can't wait to see what kind of changes he makes. However, until that time, I'll leave all the NOT Signature or Practical Valiant Armoury stuff be. The pre-Suttles swords do not impress me. The stuff Valiant is doing NOW? Impresses the HELL out of me.
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Post by kidcasanova on Mar 18, 2009 20:18:02 GMT
Ah! Found the review I was talking about. Turns out it was the CAS/Hanwei sword, not Valiant Armoury. My mistake.
Link for reference: /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=9073
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Post by shadowhowler on Mar 18, 2009 21:30:50 GMT
Ah! Found the review I was talking about. Turns out it was the CAS/Hanwei sword, not Valiant Armoury. My mistake. Link for reference: /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=9073 Yeah... I read that review... very disapointing. Old Valiant Armoury does have a version of that sword... but I dunno anyone whos ever had it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 1:32:31 GMT
Why Pizarro? He was Spanish not Celtic, Scottish or Gaelic, so I doubt he would have been using a claymore or mini claymore............btw Pizarro was a real badass..........he took on the Inca Empire with only 180 men, and no Indian auxiliaries. Hernan Cortes took on the Aztecs with 600 men, a few cannons, and an auxiliary force composed of 200,000 Aztec hating allies (that is when he entered Tenochtitlan)..........it necessary to remark I'm not impressed with the aftermath (enslavement, pillaging gold and others), just with the military-diplomatic feat done by Pizarro and his ally turned enemy Diego de Almagro...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 4:00:00 GMT
Jose, this is the sword we're talking about originally.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 21:26:33 GMT
I like the sword .. but I don't trust in the tang .. you know why.. historically i don't know too much about Pizarro but thanks Jose for the comment. Here's an image, looks like a rapier ..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 21:30:42 GMT
Why Pizarro? He was Spanish not Celtic, Scottish or Gaelic, so I doubt he would have been using a claymore or mini claymore............btw Pizarro was a real badass..........he took on the Inca Empire with only 180 men, and no Indian auxiliaries. Hernan Cortes took on the Aztecs with 600 men, a few cannons, and an auxiliary force composed of 200,000 Aztec hating allies (that is when he entered Tenochtitlan)..........it necessary to remark I'm not impressed with the aftermath (enslavement, pillaging gold and others), just with the military-diplomatic feat done by Pizarro and his ally turned enemy Diego de Almagro... That is good piece of info Akuzo. Karma. Mordrent, military swords of 16th century while having rapier like swept hilts retained a respectable degree of blade presence to make good cuts. The blade on Pizarro's or Cortes sword would have been similar to an English broadsword. Thinner and lighter then a medieval sword designed to attack mail, but thicker and shorter then a true Italian Rapier. The truth is that these distinctions are very modern ones. George Sliver helped a good deal in coining the phrases because he was so opposed to the Italian Rapier. To most people in Europe a sword was a sword. If you preferred light or heavy one was for you to take up with your blacksmith. The VA Pizarro sword is probably a bit overkill of a 16th century sword.
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