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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 15:25:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 15:36:08 GMT
Those are pretty different. Both yours and mine have 3 balls on them... What the heck do you think that means?
If nothing else, we can at least walk proudly, eh? <grin>
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 15:40:01 GMT
Yeah they seem to alternate between the 3 Balls and the 3 Dragon lion dude. The last one I linked has a very small picture, but it has 1 big dragon lion dude.
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Post by jpfranco on Mar 13, 2009 15:43:17 GMT
My ancestor's name is Jean Leclerc event though my last name is Francoeur. My ancester's moto is"Proud of our fathers"
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Post by hotspur on Mar 13, 2009 15:43:43 GMT
I don't want to seem like a fuddy duddy but such sites are nothing but prey for retailers to feed upon. There is nothing wrong with the enthusiasm one may share for the topic and the further one delves into heraldry, the more one can truly appreciate the facts.
Arms are individual, it is as simple as that. This means that the images generated on such retail sites are false, as they are offered as universal to a surname.
Crests, badges and mottos are universal to specific families but please do realize that bearing one's surname in no way determines true association without the provenance of recorded and documented facts.
Genealogy is a fascinating hobby and I wish all the best of luck if entering into the history of one's ancestry. I can only underline that adopting an arms such as have been presented is a sidways approach to one's ancestry. Again, arms are individual and not universal to a surname.
My paternal surname and ancestry is searchable now to their entry to the Virginias and the 17th century. I continue to communicate with families in the UK regarding the past of that surname and the connections of its origin. A place name that was adopted as a surname. My mother's family is a lot more difficult to trace back through more than four generations.
Heraldry is a serious study of much more fact than is offered at such sites as first mentioned. it's all great fun but I can only hope that serious scholars of heraldry and genealogy don't fall prey to buying into what amounts to misinformation.
For the truly curious, one might notice my avatar and be able to associate it with other versions I have used that relate to my revolving ps lines.
Cheers and best luck in your family quests.
Hotspur; some may be able to easily associate that name with my avatar and the family badge
Esperance En Dieu
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 15:47:27 GMT
I don't want to seem like a fuddy duddy but such sites are nothing but prey for retailers to feed upon. There is nothig wrong with the enthusiasm one may share for the topic and the further one delves into heraldry, the more one can trulty appreciate the facts. Arms are individual, it is as simple as that. This means that the images generated on such retail sites are false, as they are offered as universal to a surname. Crests, badges and mottos are universal to specific families but please do realize that bearing one's surname in no way determines true association without the provenance of recorded and documented facts. Genealogy is a fascination hobby and I wish all the best of luck if entering into the history of one's ancestry. I can only underline that adopting an arms such as have been presented is a sidways approach to one's ancestry. Again, arms are individual and not universal to a surname. My paternal surname and ancestry is searchable now to their entry to the Virginias and the 17th century. I continue to communicate with families in the UK regarding the past of that surname and the connections of its origin. A place name that was adopted as a surname. My mother's family is a lot more difficult to trace back through more than four generations. Heraldry is a serious study of much more fact than is offered at such sites as first mentioned. it's all great fun but I can only hope that serious scholars of heraldry and genealogy don't fall prey to buying into what amounts to misinformation. For the truly curious, one might notice my avatar and be able to associate it with other versions I have used that relate to my revolving ps lines. Cheers and best luck in your family quests. Hotspur; some may be able to easily associate that name with my avatar and the family badgeEsperance En DieuAhh man! Your bringing me down dude! But your right... Like you said though, it's fun.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 15:51:12 GMT
I don't know about the accuracy of the information given on that site either...for example, I searched for my family name on my paternal grandmother's side (after no results on the direct paternal side), which is Dagenais, and they give me many informations on the name except...that they don't speak at all about the French region Agenais and the main town of said region: Agen...when it is so obvious that the name came from that region: D'Agenais...
Still, genealogy and heraldry are very interesting, to say the least, but I doubt the accuracy of infos given on such a profit seeking website...then again, maybe they give good infos on many other names depending on the origins of said names and the information archives to which they had access...
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Post by brotherbanzai on Mar 13, 2009 15:54:23 GMT
The crest for my family from the sight... Looks a lot like the family crest my Father got when I was a kid... However I don't think my father did any real research. I think he just bought the crest from a company that was selling generic family crests (this was from the time before the internet and computers were in every house some 30 or so years ago). Kind of a shame since my grandfather always maintained that there are records connecting our branch of the family back to a castle guard in england before the 13 colonies. I've never had any interest in it myself though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 15:58:40 GMT
my grandmother is currently doing all the geneology but so far can only get us back to about the 18th century due to records being hard to find unless you have enough money to actually travel to these locations to search through the records manually in the bottom of a church crypt!
My last name simply means "bright/famous noble born"....
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Post by hotspur on Mar 13, 2009 16:19:49 GMT
The internet has been a huge boon to researchers. Unfortunately, even some of the best accessible sites are pay for play, such as Ancestry dot com. The Ellis island organization is still growing and informative for some.
I not so recently actually did pay for a good compilation from another researcher that has been working with my family and Missouri at large. That small collective of researchers has been working together since the 1960s, when my grandfather and I were beginning a long trek. Many others linked to that were also working together before the internet and the resulting book I bought is a good reference still growing in scope and facts about the 19th century in Missopuri. Even that is just the tip of the iceberg but that one volume answered many of my American Civil War questions. I was greatly honored to find some of my research included.
As mentioned, the retail coat of arms and crest sites are good fun but a really poor start for serious inquiry about a family's genealogy.
Cheers
Hotspur; what my grandfather and I spent for in professional research during the 1960s bore little more information than what these coffee cup sites now offer. I have a binder of such nonsense they prepared for us
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 16:45:26 GMT
I would take this site with an extremely big pinch of salt, I’m fairly certain that my name Wood is that of a commoner, probably does not descend from a single aristocratic family and would not come with a heraldic symbol. And yet I enter it and one comes up this little bit of faux history. It’s a bit of fun yes, but you would be a fool to pay any money to them, you might as well get a peace of paper and draw your own. It would have as much historical relevance
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 17:01:45 GMT
Tutus in Undis? Tucked in Underware?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 17:26:37 GMT
Tutus in Undis? Tucked in Underware? Yip its the motto my Grandmother used "tuck your shirt in to your underwear lad, or you'll catch you death of cold" or something like that ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 17:40:11 GMT
Irish family creast or coat of arms is a bit of a joke really they are just made up for people to buy and feel a little more irish. old irsh names have great meaning and should be left that way.Name with Fitz as Fitzgerald or De as De Burg are irish now but are Norman O and Mc are irish Mac being Scotts. Scottish Clan names and clans do have crest and coat of arms.A few irish Earls had coat of arms which were giving to them by the English with the title's.So English names would have coat of arms Scotts and other parts of Europe. ACE from Eire
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 17:41:30 GMT
Tutus in Undis? Tucked in Underware? safe on the waves, actually
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 17:57:09 GMT
Liked mine better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 18:57:40 GMT
Tutus in Undis? Tucked in Underware? Yip its the motto my Grandmother used "tuck your shirt in to your underwear lad, or you'll catch you death of cold" or something like that ;D Hehe... We should be related then... sounds very familiar...
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Post by hotspur on Mar 13, 2009 20:39:22 GMT
Irish family creast or coat of arms is a bit of a joke really they are just made up for people to buy and feel a little more irish. old irsh names have great meaning and should be left that way.Name with Fitz as Fitzgerald or De as De Burg are irish now but are Norman O and Mc are irish Mac being Scotts. Scottish Clan names and clans do have crest and coat of arms.A few irish Earls had coat of arms which were giving to them by the English with the title's.So English names would have coat of arms Scotts and other parts of Europe. ACE from Eire I can only repeat what I have offered previously. Specific coats of arms are individual to a person, not the family at large. The crests are placed above the coat of arms when displayed with an individual's coat of arms. Crests and badges are universal to specific clans and families. Those that have spent time with books like Burke's landed gentry and other genealogy regarding the UK at large will better understand. A brief search of heraldry topics would be beneficial for any looking to simply add more misinformation to the masses. I certainly do not relate myself as an expert in the matter but much of what is offered as the truth is simply more misinformation. Cheers Hotspur; how can simple searches seem so befuddling?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 21:42:35 GMT
Yes coat of arms are individual to a person and do change from father to son due to the fact that there were no real surname's back then where you were "of" said place like earl of desmond ,like 'Mac" son of .This is more easy if you are scott forget the coat of arms go with your family colors "tartan"this you can claim as yours. you may belong to a scott clan and not know it .As for the English names you are of royal blood or a commoner,sorry. Only one irish man lives named O Connor who is direct cousin to the last irish king. Unlike Scotland irish clans are not really recorded but family names are still in there own regions Like OConnor family mostly found in Connacht or O Neill in Ulster Mc Dermott of Munster and so on to understand your own family name meaning and place of orign is what you should look for.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 21:59:34 GMT
I know for a FACT my family has no coat of arms. How do I know this? We were incredibly bloody poor!
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