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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 2:09:01 GMT
A fool and his money are easily parted...
I am a Christian and I see either of these swords as an incredible insult to Jews and Muslims alike. I mean, you don't come out with a sword named "The Holy Sword of Christ Jesus" do you? WTF are they thinking?
I like some Windlass swords, I own more than my share, but IMHO the smiths at Windlass are not capable of making a $3000.00 sword and it actually being worth $3000.00. The most expensive of their swords I have owned - the Damascus Viking - was sub-par for a sword with a $400.00 price tag at the time, WTF would I want to invest 3k when they have difficulty getting consistant hit or miss quality with $200 swords? I have had a far larger number of Windlass swords with bad QC problems than I have had with no problem at all.
Check it, with all of their reputable sword designers either off the payroll or passed along and most of their blade designs being direct knock-offs of Del Tin; Windlass needs to concentrate in giving customers the products they know and love that are proven to be good swords and quit trying to dive off into the Top 3 Market with crap like this. If they want a money maker - bring back swords like the Gothic German, the Transitional Viking, or the European Type XII; classics that Windlass retired overnight for whatever stupid reason.
Blah, I have said enough already. This just ticks me off...
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Post by SlayerofDarkness on Feb 24, 2009 2:53:38 GMT
While I agree with much of your sentiment, did you not read my post on the last page? Let's wait until someone takes the plunge over at SFI or Myarmoury before we go condemning Windlass with no proof that these are junk... They may not even be made by the same forge! -Slayer
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 21:16:59 GMT
A fool and his money are easily parted...I am a Christian and I see either of these swords as an incredible insult to Jews and Muslims alike. I mean, you don't come out with a sword named " The Holy Sword of Christ Jesus" do you? WTF are they thinking? ... I’m not much of a Islamic historian but wasn't Muhammad a military leader. I understand that this sword is based on a sword(currently in Pakistan),that Muhammad was supposed to have carried. Regardless of the religious aspect to it, it would seem natural and far from offensive for people to have an interest in the kind of sword an important historical figure carried, I don’t see it as any different from buying a “sword of saladin” or any other historical military figure. Regarding the sword, I hope that it is everything a $3000 sword should be. however even if I had the budget I don’t think I would be buying from them. Id want to go to someone who is tried and tested before shelling out that kind of money.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 23:30:40 GMT
I dealt in Windlass products for many moons and I know their quality probably better than I should. These swords were made at the Derha Dun blacksmithing commune by the same smiths that make everything else, not by some super-secret artisan blacksmith in hiding. The level of finishing is a little better, but not worth the asking price.
Lookit. In the end, you are still going to be owning a 'reproduction' and even 100 years from now, it's collectable value will be evaluated on the 'Made in India' stamp it carries.
Why bother? You can own a genuine antique at this price range. Or you could own 13 standard Windlasses'...or 10 Darkswords...or 8 Del Tins...or 6 Atrims..or 5 Arms and Armors...or 3 Albions...so on and so forth.
These are not a good value on a practical or collector level. But if someone wants to go for them, rock on...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 23:43:46 GMT
A fool and his money are easily parted...I am a Christian and I see either of these swords as an incredible insult to Jews and Muslims alike. I mean, you don't come out with a sword named " The Holy Sword of Christ Jesus" do you? WTF are they thinking? ... I’m not much of a Islamic historian but wasn't Muhammad a military leader. I understand that this sword is based on a sword(currently in Pakistan),that Muhammad was supposed to have carried. Regardless of the religious aspect to it, it would seem natural and far from offensive for people to have an interest in the kind of sword an important historical figure carried, I don’t see it as any different from buying a “sword of saladin” or any other historical military figure. Regarding the sword, I hope that it is everything a $3000 sword should be. however even if I had the budget I don’t think I would be buying from them. Id want to go to someone who is tried and tested before shelling out that kind of money. I see both KR's and OG's points. True Muhammad, like Saladin, Suleyman, Genghis Khan, Charlemagne and other historical military leaders have had a distinctive weapon. And then again, in this particular case, Muhammad has a surviving sword that is on Pakistan. Then, the principle here is that Muhammad unlike Saladin (who is regarded as one of the greatest Islamic warriors) is one of the pillars of the Muslim faith. That is like saying let's forge Moses Rod, or Jesus Iron Rod that Rules over Nations, or Buddha's whatever non weapon item he carried, or anything that touches the fibre of any particular religious group. I have no qualms on the King David Sword, he's a big player in the Bible, but he is not THE paramount figure in Judaism, or Christianism who share a big deal of the Bible........but........lets get off this religious stuff........overpriced swords from an average manufcturer.......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 17:38:45 GMT
Normally, I'd agree with you, Tsafa. But how do you know that these swords aren't comparable to Albions? I mean, really know, because it seems unlikely to me as well. However, the quality (and occasional lack there-of ) of Windlass' lower end swords doesn't neccasarily mean that the high-end ones are similarly deficient... They could have invested a lot of that extra money into performance aspects, as well as the aesthetics. The normal Windlass heat-treatment is better than decent, so if they stepped it up, who knows? These really could be fantastic swords made by a low-end company trying to forge their way into the high-end market... Just food for thought, I guess. I don't see any actual proof of these Windlass' being overpriced, but that doesn't mean I'd buy one for half that. I don't want it to seem as though I'm supporting Windlass' choice to produce these, but I truly see no need to condemn it either. -Slayer I think our little buddy is growing up! Well spoken Slayer. I'll karma you for your insight. Still I agree with Tsafas last post....Im not buying either. Ive had good experiences with Windlass so far, but when it comes to this kind of $ I'll stick with Albion. At least Iknow what Im getting. But Ill keep an ear to the ground about these...see what kind of rep they get... I concur; this could be like when Hyundai did a 180 and started producing cars that were as good or better than the Big 3 (both, American and Asian) but until such time as it is purchased and reviewed by others with deeper pockets and more expertise, I shall not be buying either. I doubt my wife would ever let me put that much money on a single sword...but one can hope.
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