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Post by genocideseth on Feb 9, 2009 8:16:46 GMT
I can't tell. Is that the spine of the blade?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 8:18:03 GMT
what pic is being referd to here?
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Post by genocideseth on Feb 9, 2009 8:19:00 GMT
I was assuming he meant the newest one, but now that you mention it...
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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 9, 2009 8:19:41 GMT
Pic 4 of 9... your looking right at the Ha, and it looks like a secondary bevel to me, but I might be WAY off. I have one katana that has a secondary bevel and it looks like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 8:21:55 GMT
If I understand the consept of second bevel correctly I believe their is second bevel level on the blade.
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Post by genocideseth on Feb 9, 2009 8:22:54 GMT
Yea, it kind of does look like a secondary bevel. I assume someone might have added that later if this is a Nihinto.
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Post by slav on Feb 9, 2009 8:46:03 GMT
Hmm, it would really help if you could remove the handle and show us some photos of the tang.
Looks like it could be a genuine antique Nihonto to me, but something about the blade shape and fittings also kinda make me think 'old turn of the century tourist piece from Japan' as well. Especially the fuchi. I have not a trained eye for these types of artifacts, though...it just doesn't quite scream 'Nihonto, without a doubt' to me yet.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Feb 9, 2009 14:26:11 GMT
My inclination is to guess showato...but it really could be anything based on those pictures... it is definitely worth further research....
Why don't you post or PM your lacation and lets see if we can find a token kai group near you
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2009 14:28:06 GMT
I do not see how it is foolish. Photobucket is a great image hosting site that is relatively easy to use. E-Mailing all of us would be tiresome and unnecessary. Unless you are just joking... If so, please make it more obvious. ;D I was talking about real mail, stamps, wait times, and everything. Perhaps I will include sarcasm tags next time [/sarcasm]
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Post by genocideseth on Feb 9, 2009 14:36:45 GMT
Hahahaha! Awesome! Here I thought email was a bad method! Good one, +1 for the giggle.
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Post by shadowhowler on Feb 9, 2009 18:13:33 GMT
My inclination is to guess showato...but it really could be anything based on those pictures... it is definitely worth further research.... Why don't you post or PM your lacation and lets see if we can find a token kai group near you Whats a showato Marc?
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Feb 9, 2009 23:37:57 GMT
A showato is a showa era sword (WWII) made by hand but not by traditional methods.... Of course i need to see MUCH more before I 'm ready to label it that... I think that it needs to be seen by people who know swords , in person... I also think we need more and better pics....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2009 4:59:11 GMT
I tried to remove the handle as requested but I don’t see this happening without causing damage to the handle, sorry. Furthermore, if I can get an indication of what photos would be sufficient I will gladly take them and put them on photobucked with the rest. Lastly I am in South Africa.
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Post by Marc Ridgeway on Feb 10, 2009 5:30:01 GMT
Close up , macro function shots of the tip.. and the steel itself. Japanese swords made by traditional methods are made from smelting iron sand, and folding the billet repeatedly...as such the steel exhibits patterns known as hada. They are also differentially hardened which creates a distinctive effect along the length of the edge called a hamon. These two peculiarities can often go a long way towards identifying some details about the nature of the sword. Here is a contact for a token kai group in South Africa.... not sure if it is close or not.... Gauteng, Republic of South Africa Contact: Dawn Harvey (011) 487-1704 arms_and_armour@xsinet.co.za Here is an example of a close up macro pic that shows a bit of detail ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2009 12:25:17 GMT
About removing the Tsuka; you will likely need to remove the Mekugi, if there is one. I do not see an obvious one in any of the images.
In image 1 of 9 (also labeled sword 9), I see what appears to be either a covered Mekugi or a poor Emperor node. Look at what would be the second full diamond from the Tsuba, just at the camera left edge. To me, that looks like a small Emperor node or perhaps a Mekugi that appears to have been covered with the Same.
If it IS a Mekugi, you will not remove it without first cutting away the Same at that point, probably on both sides. If it IS a Mekugi, I would wait and let the experts have a look at it before making any irreversible changes to the sword.
I hope this helps.
Vernon
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2009 13:52:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2009 14:19:44 GMT
From the first picture I cant see any grain, but I can see the double beveled edge. Perhaps if we knew where you live, there may be someone on here who could help you remove the tsuka.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 13:19:08 GMT
Just to keep everyone up-to-date. I have given the sword to a pro in antique's and he is going to have a look at the sword and let me know and I wil let everone know what he said.
Thanx all
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Post by genocideseth on Feb 11, 2009 13:20:16 GMT
Sweet! I cannot wait to hear the news!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 14:09:45 GMT
I've been following this from the beginning. For all of your trouble I hope that it is real, it does look promising although it has been abused a little it does not look like it is in that bad of shape.
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