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Post by boston1775 on May 26, 2024 13:27:49 GMT
 ello, need some help IDing these 2 marks on a pattern 1742 sword. A thick arrow and a box with lines crossing in the box. Blade is thick and about 28 1/2 inches long, no fuller, and it is a half guard. I know this pattern was around for 70-80 years in Europe. Thanks |
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Post by mrstabby on May 26, 2024 19:36:57 GMT
Man, I think I have seen that square mark before, but can't place it. Do you have a better picture/more pictures? Filesizelimit is 1mb/file, so no need to go that small. Could that arrow be damage? Can't tell.
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Post by boston1775 on May 27, 2024 10:10:56 GMT
Man, I think I have seen that square mark before, but can't place it. Do you have a better picture/more pictures? Filesizelimit is 1mb/file, so no need to go that small. Could that arrow be damage? Can't tell.
I had a hard enough time getting the pic down to 1mb but no the arrow is not damage just as you see it and no not a common British arrow marking. |
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Post by mrstabby on May 27, 2024 11:07:51 GMT
According to what I see it's not 1mb but 20kb and 240x320 pixels, that's very small to be honest. I bet if you resize the original to 1500x2000 it's still going to be under 1mb but much more visible. I think it reminds me of a spanish proof mark with a bird inside the square but again, can't really make it out, also why I asked if the arrow was damage since I honestly can't make it out.
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Post by boston1775 on May 31, 2024 14:22:02 GMT
Scratching my head I see the pic fine here. It's a double line Square with crossing lines in the box, simple marking. The arrow is just that but thicker than what I've seen on British swords.
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Post by mrstabby on May 31, 2024 15:15:11 GMT
This is what I see on my end.
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Post by madirish on May 31, 2024 20:19:49 GMT
yup...small picture on my end
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Post by eastman on Jun 1, 2024 0:56:23 GMT
I'm also only seeing a small picture
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Post by boston1775 on Jun 4, 2024 22:57:49 GMT
Strange I click on it and it expands much larger. Try a magnifying glass, that works too
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 5, 2024 3:31:08 GMT
The thumbnail in the post (blade to the right) has 2,88 kb, the expanded picture (blade downwards) has 21,44 kb.
Indeed the difference in picture quality isn't very obvious.
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Post by tweet on Jun 5, 2024 7:03:48 GMT
 imgur get share links and copy/use the bb code |
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Post by madirish on Jun 5, 2024 23:01:49 GMT
canyou show us the whole sword, as well? If one squints...it MIGHT look like a Wundes (Solingen) King's head mark. They used a King's head pre 1770 (Weyersberg bought the king's head mark from them then). Dunno what the waffle mark is.
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Post by boston1775 on Jun 6, 2024 23:14:13 GMT
I had a hard enough time reducing it to get on this website. Just open up a George Neumann book and there are plenty of examples of what they called a 1742 pattern. "Kings Head" how you see that? It looks like an arrow! My Thanks to the Man that blew up the pic above.
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Post by madirish on Jun 11, 2024 17:46:17 GMT
the part that you might refer to as the fletchings of an arrow also look quite a bit like a bad impression of one of the king's head stamps from the various versions from the Wundes family. IF held in the hand with the tip of the sword facing up, it could be a badly struck kings head. BTW..I said "might be" not "is".   |
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Post by boston1775 on Jun 14, 2024 15:49:17 GMT
Yeah sorry I don't think so there madirish but if anyone has Christian Aries book No 2 1967 Figs 1-4 I believe about French swords I heard it's shown in there. Sadly I can't find a copy of it anywhere
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Post by madirish on Jun 14, 2024 16:39:52 GMT
Again, do you have pics of the entire sword?
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ello, need some help IDing these 2 marks on a pattern 1742 sword. A thick arrow and a box with lines crossing in the box. Blade is thick and about 28 1/2 inches long, no fuller, and it is a half guard. I know this pattern was around for 70-80 years in Europe. Thanks
